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Joshua asking his corner, "Why do I feel like this, though?"

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"I'd love to be able to stand here now and tell you Joshua had a terrible camp or had these injuries but it's not true. He won fair and square, Andy Ruiz" - Eddie Hearn

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jun/02/anthony-joshua-rematch-andy-ruiz-jr

If Hearn or Joshua backpedal on that down the track it holds zero water as far as I am concerned.

As far as I am concerned Joshua felt the way he did because he was getting beaten.
 
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This is actually bothered me a bit, he is saying this in private in the corner not expecting it to be heard elsewhere and the way he says it, that's a genuine question he's asking?

"yeah but why do I feel like this though?"

I'd like to hear more from AJ about what he meant by that but I doubt he would ever address the question, he's not the type to make excuses and that wasn't an excuse he was making i the corner.

Possibly concussed but this was following a round where he basically just left his hands at his waist and invited Ruiz to hit him.
 
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I think the fight was going to plan against a game fighter, the Joshua catches him and drops Ruiz with a great left hook. He gets overexcited and gets caught by a few very hard hooks in round three and basically panics and fights like an amateur for the rest of the fight.

He was just looking to get ruiz out of there and leaving himself wide open in the process, I think it was a combination of him never fully recovering from round 3 plus a hurt ego and panic mode. He needed to take round 4 and 5 off and spoil the fight, then get his rhythm back and keep it at long range and do a Wlad impression on him.
 
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Joshua is fragile, for all the muscle he has, he is soft, not mentally! don´t get me wrong here, he is not weaked minded, no.. but physically, his body and head are not meant to be a fighter (and I don´t mean chin), these big muscular guys are like that so many times, there are examples of that in boxing before and in MMA and in kickboxing, so many in fact.
 
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A guy who gets dropped by Whyte and Wlad, maintains his composure to knock them out in later rounds. Yeah, definitely not a fighter. Holding most of the belts in the heavyweight division, Olympic gold medallist and best resume in the division, despite less pro fights than his rivals and a short amateur career. Yeah he definitely shouldn't have been a boxer, just not made for it.
Boxing fans can be so pathetic and short sighted, an unexpected loss doesn't erase all the achievements in the past.
I'm sure people said similarly stupid stuff when Frazier beat Ali, when Buster beat Mike, when McCall best Lewis, when Saunders beat Wlad.
There's more examples of physical specimens being at the top of the heavyweight division than fat guys, so you have a really dumb argument as well.
Exceptions don't make the rule, and let's see how Joshua bounces back.
 
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The change in Timezone (has a long lasting effect on your circadian rhythm and physiology in general), the change of climate (affects physiology), the uncertainty about future opponents and the switch in opponent, the pressure to put on a show for his first time in the US, the shock at that tub of lard being an explosive and skilful fighter, the concussion he sustained in round three. Yeah, that might change how you feel just a little bit.
Not discrediting Ruiz, but there were factors against Joshua here.
 
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When Anthony "David Price" Joshua gets rocked he gasses his body does not co-operate with him, he starts puffing after doing a chicken dance ive never seen that before either he panics or all the blood rushes to his head and leaves his muscles, he needs to lose some muscle if doesnt want to gas
 
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I can also post a champion 100m sprinter doing sit ups or something pointless from the 1960s.
The fact that you think you have a point here is indicative of your level of cognitive/critical thinking ability.
 
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He's right, Holyfield's team did away with roadwork. Tbf, they made good points.

Given Joshua science setup be interested in their reasoning if he is just doing plodding type mileage.
There have been innovators in all of the money sports. But even today most boxing gyms are a step back in time with jump ropes, medicine balls and groups of boxers heading out to pound the pavement.
 
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Just rewatched the fight, I just think Ruiz has his number, as soon as AJ gets within range he let’s go those combos and he’s easily timed, Ruiz has very fast hands and enough pop to end the fight.

This will go down in history, it does have shades of Price vs Thompson, I do think AJ has a mountain to climb in the rematch because the style clash just favours Ruiz, if AJ can win impressively it’s probably his best win, overcoming the mental factor alone is huge, Ruiz took AJs best shots and came back like they were nothing, he beat him up to the body and head, AJ was done.
 
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Just rewatched the fight, I just think Ruiz has his number, as soon as AJ gets within range he let's go those combos and he's easily timed, Ruiz has very fast hands and enough pop to end the fight.

This will go down in history, it does have shades of Price vs Thompson, I do think AJ has a mountain to climb in the rematch because the style clash just favours Ruiz, if AJ can win impressively it's probably his best win, overcoming the mental factor alone is huge, Ruiz took AJs best shots and came back like they were nothing, he beat him up to the body and head, AJ was done.
I do too. Ruiz is just a stylistic nightmare for AJ.
 
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Where’s the idea coming from that he has problems with his conditioning anyway? He’s a 6’5 250 pound man who can throw powerful punches for 12 rounds. He isn’t a flyweight who doesn’t produce much work and uses up little energy. The more powerful you are the more energy you are using up when you throw punches. It’s shocking that he doesn’t throw one punch a round, he’s a phenomenonally fit athlete.
 
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I think the fight was going to plan against a game fighter, the Joshua catches him and drops Ruiz with a great left hook. He gets overexcited and gets caught by a few very hard hooks in round three and basically panics and fights like an amateur for the rest of the fight.

He was just looking to get ruiz out of there and leaving himself wide open in the process, I think it was a combination of him never fully recovering from round 3 plus a hurt ego and panic mode. He needed to take round 4 and 5 off and spoil the fight, then get his rhythm back and keep it at long range and do a Wlad impression on him.
Good post.
 
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You didn´t read my post well, mate.
He has the mindset of a fighter, I said that in other post before, he is tough, mentally.
I´m only not sure if his BODY is the proper body for fighting, I don´t know if you ever fought no offense, but you gotta have a body that is truly hard, not meaning muscles, to stand there when someone hits you many times.

Joshua has a lot of muscles but his body is not hard for fighting... maybe. Not mentally, mentally he is tough.
I actually feel it's the complete opposite here, I mean though he might have been a little too muscular and heavy for stamina sometimes but otherwise he's got near perfect physique for this and I'm not sold on him having a weak chin either like some others are claiming, quite the opposite I think he has an iron chin the punch he was dropped with against wlad would have stopped the majority of top fighters then and there imo but he got up and came back, I think mentally is where he faults he seems to nice for this line of work, I also saw it mentioned somewhere that he'd had a panic attack before the fight and didn't even want to go out but was forced out by his dad and trainers and whatnot and that's why he didn't even seem warmed up and was late to the ring and frankly that makes perfect sense to me I definitely think there might be something to that story, he never really seemed to be that badly hurt from a punch the way it looked to me he looked like a guy with anxiety that wanted to escape.
 
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Most boxers today are still using roadwork as part of their training too.
So what? Most athletes and people concerned with fitness also take multivitamins and science has shown they are at best useless and at worst detrimental for your health, unless your diet is basically crisps and McDonald's every day. Tons of accepted practices and things that people just do as part of accepted norms are based on nothing.

Even stretching. Find a personal trainer who won't tell you to stretch lots to avoid injury...but the actual, detailed studies into stretching...show that it's pretty pointless for most sports, and gradual warm up will avoid injury just as much. Stretching is good for getting good at stretching, and obviously if you can put your hands flat on the floor from bending over, you're less likely to get an injury by doing that sort of motion, but it won't help you avoid injury in running anymore than a runner who skips it.

Common sense tells me that a boxer using a cross trainer is doing more for their stamina in the ring than running. Because a huge amount of the energy expended in the ring is from throwing punches, not jogging at a moderate pace. Using resistance bands to punch...intense all body workouts...yeah...those would all work. Obviously running is better than doing no cardio work, but just because boxers always did it, and boxers do it now, doesn't mean it's the optimum way to increase ring stamina. What controls are in place? Have we had a boxer train with road runs only, test their stamina, then take a break and do a stint of stamina training based around full body HIIT, resistance bands and shadow boxing with dumbbells in hand for intense, sporadic sessions?

The answer is no. I am pretty confident that there's a ton of stamina building workouts that do a shit ton more for a boxer than jogging down a road.
 
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AJ was acting a lot like W. Klitschko. Very fatigued and very nervous. Maybe his first time in the US on top of getting floored 4 times led to charged nerves. In a body builder frame where the heart is already overworked that tends to add to the physical stress very rapidly.

AJ doesn't have a boxing body. So yeah much like WK if he gets stressed his stamina is going to deplete rapidly.
 
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