50 non UK criminals getting deported tomorrow.

Dazl1212

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All he had to do is say what Strike did, which is that while serious foreign criminals should be removed from the country, we should also judge this on a case by case basis and if there is someone like the guy who came here at 2 and only has one criminal conviction for drug possession, then they shouldn't be deported. But no, it instead turned into the usual ideological driven frenzy of virtue signalling and race baiting that perfectly plays into every negative perception that most people already have about him and the Labour Party.
Agreed 100% kicking out someone who has lived here since they were 2 years old is absolutely ridiculous. But clearly nuance seems to be lost on our politicians at the moment.
 
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If someone has been here since they were 2 and have only been charged with possession then obviously that is different and no, I don't think they should be deported either. But from what I've seen cases like that seem to be the exception that are being carefully cherry picked. I was reading the Evening Standard last night and of the 25 deportees who have just been granted stay, the breakdown was something like one has committed manslaughter, another a firearm offence, a few for Section 18 GBH (so the most serious violent crime), 2 or 3 of rapists and the rest have served time for selling class A drugs, which judging by their sentences, must have been on a large scale involved with organised crime. So hardly the downtrodden, unfairly picked-on due to racism petty criminals that some people are trying to portray them as. Which is why Corbyn and Labour Party carrying on the way they are is such a terrible look and just another nail in the coffin for them.
As I said, both sides are cherry-picking. There were 50 people, the Standard has covered details of about 6. One was a guy who came here when he was 5, was done for intent to supply class A's as a 17 year old, got 15 months in prison (so small amounts), was released, not offended since, and is now 23. He has not reoffended in 5 years since his release, and his crime was committed before he was an adult, and he came here when he was 5.

He should not be deported, he can and appears to be a functioning member of society. But yes, if it's someone who is a rapist...kick them out.

I also think that at a certain point, the person should be deemed our problem regardless. If someone who was born here but was taken abroad to, say, Pakistan when they were 2 and grew up to become a serial rapist there, imagine the outcry when they got deported to the UK, because they were born here.
 
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Dazl1212

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It just fucking angers me that in an effectively two party system we don't have any effective opposition to the Tories. If I can see this and so many others see it, how can they be so far out of touch with northern working class people that they would rather vote for someone like Johnson, who is the epitome of a privileged, posh wanker.
 
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No they didn’t.


No you weren’t.
It's more of the convenient personal experiences of the forum's favourite Holocaust denier. If there's a topic he has an opinion on, best believe he has first-hand experience of it, or plays tennis with someone who does. :lol:
 

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It's more of the convenient personal experiences of the forum's favourite Holocaust denier. If there's a topic he has an opinion on, best believe he has first-hand experience of it, or plays tennis with someone who does. :lol:
I also know a Jamaican Garvey family and that’s a famous name in black supremacy .... get out more
 

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Agreed 100% kicking out someone who has lived here since they were 2 years old is absolutely ridiculous. But clearly nuance seems to be lost on our politicians at the moment.
I disagree, I think that then opens the topic up to lots of grey areas, depending on ages they moved here, ages they offended, how long it's been since reoffending, severity of the crime, any links to crime networks and so on. All that is just very expensive because people will always argue where there's room for it, but furthermore, we should have a system in place which discourages any criminal behaviour because of a strict no tolerance policy.

All nuance allows is for people like Abu Hamza to rack up enormous bills that we have to pay, and there are plenty of people who will argue that that's right and fair but whilst fairness is the ideal, it's not realistic because we've lost sight of common sense.

In an ideal world, you'd be right but the reality is, people like David Lammy are still going to cry racism whether this is a shoplifter or a serial rapist, and that means that the taxpayer funds these ludicrous defences.
 
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Dazl1212

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I disagree, I think that then opens the topic up to lots of grey areas, depending on ages they moved here, ages they offended, how long it's been since reoffending, severity of the crime, any links to crime networks and so on. All that is just very expensive because people will always argue where there's room for it, but furthermore, we should have a system in place which discourages any criminal behaviour because of a strict no tolerance policy.

All nuance allows is for people like Abu Hamza to rack up enormous bills that we have to pay, and there are plenty of people who will argue that that's right and fair but whilst fairness is the ideal, it's not realistic because we've lost sight of common sense.

In an ideal world, you'd be right but the reality is, people like David Lammy are still going to cry racism whether this is a shoplifter or a serial rapist, and that means that the taxpayer funds these ludicrous defences.
In an ideal world it would be on a case by case basis.

Obviously someone who's been here since they were two but regularly visits their home country is different than someone who has never stepped foot in their country of origin.

I do agree that these things get taken advantage of and it needs to be stopped.
 

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It's more of the convenient personal experiences of the forum's favourite Holocaust denier. If there's a topic he has an opinion on, best believe he has first-hand experience of it, or plays tennis with someone who does. :lol:
It’s like when he claimed interracial porn was a Jewish conspiracy to breed out the white race. He knows it’s true because of his experience as an interracial porn star, getting fucked by black guys.
 
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See? Now how come this case has so much political focus that MPs debate it but not these cases you highlight?

Because it's pandering to a minority interest which makes it farcical.

Foreign and a criminal? Out. It's not that difficult.

All I can say is if I was living in say Spain and there's alot of British drug dealers and shit and they're being deported you know what is do? Have a beer and say "good, fuck off and stop ruining the British reputation".

But same thing happens with some yardies who've killed and my oh my Captain Corbyn comes in to cause a scene.

In a perfect world any Jamaicans within his party would want negative elements of their community gone so everyone can have a better life.

What this actually comes down to is making excuses for people's lack of humanity.
 
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See? Now how come this case has so much political focus that MPs debate it but not these cases you highlight?

Because it's pandering to a minority interest which makes it farcical.
Because of Windrush you thick fuck.

Lets say the UK deported lots of people for being complete cretins and it turned out to be wrong and led to the deaths of some of them and caused others significant harm.

If they then decided to deport you, Ernest, Clarence, wesshaw etc, people might say 'but last time you deported complete cretins, it turned out to be wrong, are you sure this is the right thing to do?'

Particularly when the same government are hiding the findings of an independent review which gives a number of recommendations regarding deporting.

Get it now?
 

Clarence Worley

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Because of Windrush you thick fuck.

Lets say the UK deported lots of people for being complete cretins and it turned out to be wrong and led to the deaths of some of them and caused others significant harm.

If they then decided to deport you, Ernest, Clarence, wesshaw etc, people might say 'but last time you deported complete cretins, it turned out to be wrong, are you sure this is the right thing to do?'

Particularly when the same government are hiding the findings of an independent review which gives a number of recommendations regarding deporting.

Get it now?
Not even 0.001%

The home office is wank, nobody disagrees with that or ever has done. Doesn’t mean it can’t and should not improve