Afghan Soldiers surrender their weapons to the Taliban days after U.S. pull out

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kf3

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just sad, look up some photos of the country before the soviet invasion.

photos from today are more similar to 500 years ago than 50.

there's a book by steve coll, i don't remember the name but it is very eye opening to what really happened.
 
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Going back to Alexander the Great and the Persians, the Brits and the Soviet the last 2 centuries, no empire has been able to subdue the Afghans.
If these people are to change, the change must come within. Trying to impose our way of life on this people is futile as history has shown.



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Irrespective of what you think of the Afghans, one thing you can't deny is their gallantry and resolve against external aggression and subjugation.
 
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Sweethome_Bama

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Current taliban isnt the original taliban they are different

Now that the us has left i wonder with the return if pashtuns who left and went to itan and pakistan if conflict will spike.
 
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Clarence Worley

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So America spends a trillion and gets fuck all and then China moves in and spends a few billion on belts and roads and takes the spoils.
 

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Doubt the Taliban could pull off the win on US soil though. Biden should push for a rematch with home advantage. Can't be taking another loss.
 

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The mistake in Afghanistan was thinking that you can break the will of the Taliban. You can't. These fundamentalists don't care about anything that happens today, they care about the long term which is always going to beat the short term political goals of western leaders. We see Afghanistan as being a long war, at 20 years it has been, but it's nothing to them. They'll just sit in rural areas and bide their time.

The best way to change Afghanistan for the better would be infrastructure to create jobs, then try to reform education slowly. The Chinese approach will be far more effective.
 
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Deckard

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fuck that dogshit garbage shitty country. everyone there is a total cunt the women included fuck em. not one more second in that god forsaken shithole. get out and don't look back.
 
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The "Taliban" have been (might be a bit different now) financially backed by the Saudis and trained and given logistical assistance and support by the Pakistanis. Both Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have been important long-term US allies, but are ,now ,(certainly in Pakistan's case) turning to China. Indirectly dealing with these countries ,through the Taliban, allows the US to maintain some leverage with them.

Also seems America would rather Afghanistan be more-or-less a failed state ,than ,say, fall into China's sphere . Here vast swathes of the country will be controlled by Taliban and it will be dotted with US military installations, protected and supported by mercenaries and private contractors,from which the US ,at short notice, can launch drone strikes on targets in Afghanistan or neighbouring Iran and Pakistan.

And China,as part of its Belt and Road initiative, has been engaged in a massive infrastructure and transport build-up ,linking it to Europe via the Middle East and Turkey. Conceivably, violence from Afghanistan might "accidentally" spill over into the neighbouring central Asian states and China's south-west affecting the commercial viability of that project.

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MichiganWarrior

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Yeah I'm reading a book on the Korean war. Dumbass American commanders basically sent South Korean peasants into battle with crack North Korean soldiers, many veterans of WW2 guerilla war against the Japanese and the Chinese Civil War against the nationalists. The ROK soldiers had little training, M1 Garands, no artillery or tank support. The North Koreans had Soviet machine guns, artillery and T-34 tanks.

The South Korean were diving under the tanks with grenades, prying the hatches upon try to shove grenades in, and made a fighting retreat all down the east coast of Korea protecting the US flank which kept the Pusan perimeter sustainable. Suffered something like 70,000 deaths in the first month of the war.

The Afghans have the latest in military hardware and training. The fact that they are breaking and running into Tajikistan or surrendering in mass tells you everything to know. That's not to say resistance won't stiffen near Kabul or that the other tribes that hate the Taliban won't keep fighting but there was never ever a chance if making a cohesive country out of the place even if that was the US aim which is extreme doubtful
 
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Yeah I'm reading a book on the Korean war. Dumbass American commanders basically sent South Korean peasants into battle with crack North Korean soldiers, many veterans of WW2 guerilla war against the Japanese and the Chinese Civil War against the nationalists. The ROK soldiers had little training, M1 Garands, no artillery or tank support. The North Koreans had Soviet machine guns, artillery and T-34 tanks.

The South Korean were diving under the tanks with grenades, prying the hatches upon try to shove grenades in, and made a fighting retreat all down the east coast of Korea protecting the US flank which kept the Pusan perimeter sustainable. Suffered something like 70,000 deaths in the first month of the war.

The Afghans have the latest in military hardware and training. The fact that they are breaking and running into Tajikistan or surrendering in mass tells you everything to know. That's not to say resistance won't stiffen near Kabul or that the other tribes that hate the Taliban won't keep fighting but there was never ever a chance if making a cohesive country out of the place even if that was the US aim which is extreme doubtful
Assuming the absolute best intentions, it isn't a cohesive nation. Iraq was the same when I was there. Completely different people and politics, but they had no interest in being one people with a nation of their own. It was like pushing back the tide with a bucket. Fucking dumb
 
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