RBR!!! AJ Arrives in NY: Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz Jr/Callum Smith vs Hassan N'Dam/Katie Taylor vs Delfine Persoon!

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Not for me, as prime Lewis was with Manny and he lost once, when at altitude without adjusting and lost due to his own complacency, so yes that version loses, but I am assuming we're talking about a good, focused version. That fight will be a blow out IMO, as Wilder would be fucked by the jab and timed by the right which ends him. His only chance would be to start highly aggressively as he occasionally does, but then when he does that he is very telegraphed. Winging in a big right hand, just sees him get the Grant treatment (obviously Wilder is better than Grant, but also has 3" less reach and is more open when throwing aggressively).
I don’t know why you keep mentioning reach. Rahman had less than Wilder, less speed and less power.
 
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He has Wilder beating Wlad too. Yet according to him Wilder is 'not a good boxer, has no ring iq, has no skills, is fragile and has a poor chin.'
You must be really dumb. What part of my argument don’t you understand? Again, Wlad has no problems being knocked out. That’s not good against a guy like Wilder.
I don’t know how to make it any clearer for you. That’s why I give Wilder a better chance against guys like Lewis and Wlad, than against sturdier guys like Holyfield and Tyson. I rate the former two over the latter two. I give Wilder a 50/50 chance of beating Joshua. I also think Joshua is a far superior boxer to Wilder.
These aren’t contradictions you dumb fuck, they are head to head comparisons looking at relevant variables and styles rather than overall ranking.
 
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I don’t know why you keep mentioning reach. Rahman had less than Wilder, less speed and less power.
I'm just pointing out that it's usually something Wilder has as an advantage, he often gets outboxed for a bit despite this and eventually lands, but then again he's fought exactly 2 good heavies...Fury and Ortiz, and lost almost every round to Fury, and nearly got stopped by an old Ortiz. Lewis got caught repeatedly by Rahman when he arrived woefully unprepared and fought at altitude...he was breathing heavily by round 2. In the rematch, Rahman has fuck all success.
 
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I rank him 4th. My response was to people referring to Joshua as a hype job. Wilder is the true hype job in the division, the most likely to get ‘exposed’ (people don’t seem to count the Fury fight for that, I do).
I’d have him number two in most heavyweight eras. He hasn’t proven shit, but he has shown his punch and his athleticism. He is one of the least skilled top heavyweights ever. His success is indicative of his raw natural ability, not how poor his opponents are. It isn’t a zero sum game.

Again, where is my contradiction?
Everything you claim you soon enough contradict yourself on. Particularly when it comes to Deontay Wilder.

But don't stop. It is hugely entertaining :lol:
 
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Here's some more of the best of your contradictions :

Ruiz knocks Wilder spark out. Ruiz has iron in his chin, Wilder has glass and no boxing skills. Let’s keep in mind Wilder has only beaten Ortiz, who was beating Wilder and almost stopped him. Let’s keep in mind that Wilder was dropped by some morbidly obese bum early in his career. Let’s keep in mind that Molina rocked Wilder down to his boots. Let’s keep in mind that we’ve seen Wilder brutally KTFO as an amateur. Let’s keep in mind that Wilder got comprehensively outboxed by Fury. Let’s keep in mind Breazeale even wobbled Wilder.
Ruiz is the champ of the division, Wilder is a paper titlist who only holds his title due to incompetent judging.
Yet you rate Wilder 4th in what you claim is the best heavyweight era ever, and number two in most heavyweight eras.

:uwot
 
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Here's some more of the best of your contradictions :



Yet you rate Wilder 4th in what you claim is the best heavyweight era ever, and number two in most heavyweight eras.

:uwot
Again, point out a contradiction? You do know what the word means right?

If I was ranking him on skill and chin I wouldn’t have him in the top 10. If he got knocked out tomorrow by a club fighter I’d still have him at number four. He is a threat to anyone at anytime, he is willing to let his hands go and he is full of self belief. He is athletic with extreme power. That necessitates his inclusion near the top of any list that he is included in. I thought Fury dominated him and made him look silly, I gave Fury every round. Yet I still don’t know who I’m going to pick in the rematch.
Are you starting to get the picture or are you actually that dumb?
 

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Again, point out a contradiction? You do know what the word means right?

If I was ranking him on skill and chin I wouldn’t have him in the top 10. If he got knocked out tomorrow by a club fighter I’d still have him at number four. He is a threat to anyone at anytime, he is willing to let his hands go and he is full of self belief. He is athletic with extreme power. That necessitates his inclusion near the top of any list that he is included in. I thought Fury dominated him and made him look silly, I gave Fury every round. Yet I still don’t know who I’m going to pick in the rematch.
Are you starting to get the picture or are you actually that dumb?
You are plainly a master of contradiction but it doesn't mean I don't know what it means.

It is also plain that someone who contradicts them self as often as you do, is dumb.

But it doesn't mean I'm not enjoying the shit out of this. So let's keep things rolling.

You say Wilder is "number two in most heavyweight eras".

Which eras??
 
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You are plainly a master of contradiction but it doesn't mean I don't know what it means.

It is also plain that someone who contradicts them self as often as you do, is dumb.

But it doesn't mean I'm not enjoying the shit out of this. So let's keep things rolling.

You say Wilder is "number two in most heavyweight eras".

Which eras??
Wlad’s reign for a start. I’ll name the others when you start answering my questions, where are my contradictions? Google the word so you know what it means, then come back here to tell me where I’ve contradicted myself. I’ll be waiting for you. You’ll enjoy my other answers, I guarantee it.
 

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Wlad’s reign for a start. I’ll name the others when you start answering my questions, where are my contradictions? Google the word so you know what it means, then come back here to tell me where I’ve contradicted myself. I’ll be waiting for you. You’ll enjoy my other answers, I guarantee it.
I have already shown numerous examples where you have contradicted yourself. Numerous. It is an almost daily occurrence for you.

Not being able to support your 'second best in most eras' claim after being so critical of Wilder will just be another one.

Your absolute obsession with Deontay Wilder is taking on bi-polar proportions.
 
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You must be really dumb. What part of my argument don’t you understand? Again, Wlad has no problems being knocked out. That’s not good against a guy like Wilder.
I don’t know how to make it any clearer for you. That’s why I give Wilder a better chance against guys like Lewis and Wlad, than against sturdier guys like Holyfield and Tyson. I rate the former two over the latter two. I give Wilder a 50/50 chance of beating Joshua. I also think Joshua is a far superior boxer to Wilder.
These aren’t contradictions you dumb fuck, they are head to head comparisons looking at relevant variables and styles rather than overall ranking.
Wlad over Holyfield and Iron Mike?!

Am I reading this right?

 
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I have already shown numerous examples where you have contradicted yourself. Numerous. It is an almost daily occurrence for you.

Not being able to support your 'second best in most eras' claim after being so critical of Wilder will just be another one.

Your absolute obsession with Deontay Wilder is taking on bi-polar proportions.
You’ve shown me nothing.
 
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'Number two in most heavyweight eras' isn't a great?

You are so embarrassingly confused.
Just because I think somebody is going to be at the top in most eras due to his freakish power doesn’t mean that I think he’s great.
It’s you who is confused. I’ve explained it as clearly as is possible, you’re obviously not capable.
 

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Just because I think somebody is going to be at the top in most eras due to his freakish power doesn’t mean that I think he’s great.
It’s you who is confused. I’ve explained it as clearly as is possible, you’re obviously not capable.
There's yet another contradiction contained in your first sentence above.

and "a great" is what you said. Not whether you thought he was great :patsch

You are an absolute riot :lol:
 
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There's yet another contradiction contained in your first sentence above.

and "a great" is what you said. Not whether you thought he was great :patsch

You are an absolute riot :lol:
I still don’t know where you are getting confused.
When have I claimed that Wilder is great or a great? He’s far from it. He has no skills, weak chin, poor resume. Barely won in his best win, got his head boxed off by Fury.

His power is so immense that he’s near the top of any era. He’s in the greatest era ever so he’s around number four.
In Tyson’s era he is number two. In the Lewis/Holyfield/Bowe era he’s around three. In the Larry Holmes era he is number two. In the Ali era he is number two/one.