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DB Cooper

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In Tyson’s era he is number two. In the Lewis/Holyfield/Bowe era he’s around three. In the Larry Holmes era he is number two. In the Ali era he is number two/one.
All that but not a great?

Your are either a troll or a complete and utter numb nut :lol:
 
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Number two or number one in the Ali era?! So just as good if not better than Ali?!

I think @Dealt_with you are getting carried away here. We got to take into account different gloves and a different style of fighting. I doubt Wilder could go 15 rounds or fight on the inside which is what he'd have to do in the 70s. We should end this topic on this page. I personally can't picture him in any era other than 80s+ Boxing was so much different before the 80s.
 
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When you claim someone would be 'number two in most heavyweight eras' you are rating them a great whether you care to admit it or not.
Listen up dummy. A complete, balanced fighter has a higher probability of being successful against a wider range of styles, opponents. Therefore that person is going to accumulate a greater resume, and be thought of highly in a historical perspective.

Then there are fighters who have one ability turned right up, that makes them successful despite their wide range of deficits. That one ability may give that fighter a chance against anyone, but they are less able to use it against a wide range of styles. Therefore they’ll never accumulate the resume of the balanced guy.

Power is the great equaliser. Deontay has it better than anyone in history. His athleticism is elite.
That puts him in the discussion with anyone who ever lived. That doesn’t make him a great. If any fighter in history (especially, small weak heavyweights from older eras) have any chance of being knocked out then Wilder makes any fight a 50/50. Hence why I said Wilder’s chances fall or rise on his opponents chin.

Are you starting to understand you stupid fuck?
 
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Number two or number one in the Ali era?! So just as good if not better than Ali?!

I think @Dealt_with you are getting carried away here. We got to take into account different gloves and a different style of fighting. I doubt Wilder could go 15 rounds or fight on the inside which is what he'd have to do in the 70s. We should end this topic on this page. I personally can't picture him in any era other than 80s+ Boxing was so much different before the 80s.
Why would Wilder have to go 15 rounds? Why would he have to fight on the inside with those plodders? He’d probably look skilled in the 70s. It was different, it was a bunch of shit crusierweights.
 
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When you claim someone would be 'number two in most heavyweight eras' you are rating them a great whether you care to admit it or not.
Now watch Wilder continue to knock people out and go out on top in this era :lol: :patsch

Good chance he is the last man standing. After trying to put my bratty 3 year old to sleep and continue on with my movie I forgot what you guys have been arguing about over the past 24 hours.

Wilder is a ko artist, but we can't put him in any era and say he'd be successful. Boxing is way different @Dealt_with just compare him with fighters from the 80s on. A h2h with Shavers or Foreman I can see, but any other h2h is hard to imagine make it stop :wah
 
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Why would Wilder have to go 15 rounds? Why would he have to fight on the inside with those plodders? He’d probably look skilled in the 70s. It was different, it was a bunch of shit crusierweights.
Big George would ktfo Wilder and take his best shot imo. Ali had an atg chin, intangibles, and jab. Joe Frazier could get inside and at the very least wear him out with body shots. I don't think Wilder is active enough to win, tough enough, or sophisticated enough to go 15 rounds. He'd likely gas.

Marciano might have been too small, but Sonny Liston could give him hell.

I can't see him beating any greats other than Marciano who was a Cruiserweight. Lennox would throw the fucking tool box at him then blast him with an uppercut or right hand. Holyfield would slip, box, and will himself to victory. Iron Mike would get inside and rip him up.

To sum it up, not active or sophisticated enough to beat many of the greats. Refs from the 70s and 80s would let the fight flow and not break up the action. He'd be forced to fight on the inside and he'll get pushed to the ropes quite often. Boxing seemed much different in the 70s and earlier. Also the jab is about the most important punch in the game Holmes, Ali, and Lennox had atg jabs. Even Wlad with Manny Steward might be too sophisticated for him.
 
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Jack Dempsey could take his best shot I'm certain. He could walk forward and throw from both stances and beat the shit outta a much taller and heavier man in Willard.

I don't think this era is the best. There have been many though (70s, 30s, etc). Not just about size the fighters of yesterday we're quite sophisticated.
 
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Big George would ktfo Wilder and take his best shot imo. Ali had an atg chin, intangibles, and jab. Joe Frazier could get inside and at the very least wear him out with body shots. I don't think Wilder is active enough to win, tough enough, or sophisticated enough to go 15 rounds. He'd likely gas.

Marciano might have been too small, but Sonny Liston could give him hell.

I can't see him beating any greats other than Marciano who was a Cruiserweight. Lennox would throw the fucking tool box at him then blast him with an uppercut or right hand. Holyfield would slip, box, and will himself to victory. Iron Mike would get inside and rip him up.

To sum it up, not active or sophisticated enough to beat many of the greats. Refs from the 70s and 80s would let the fight flow and not break up the action. He'd be forced to fight on the inside and he'll get pushed to the ropes quite often. Boxing seemed much different in the 70s and earlier. Also the jab is about the most important punch in the game Holmes, Ali, and Lennox had atg jabs. Even Wlad with Manny Steward might be too sophisticated for him.
6’3 light ass Ali knocked out Foreman. Frazier was another 6’2 light in the ass motherfucker, who got decaptitated by Foreman.

Only guys with iron chins should be favoured against Wilder. I include Ali, Tyson, and Holyfield in that category.

Wilder actually has a good jab, and is longer than the majority of these guys you’re talking about.

The greats aren’t that sophisticated, they were the opposite of that. Boxing was fucking shit before the 80s, or even the 90s.
 
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Jack Dempsey could take his best shot I'm certain. He could walk forward and throw from both stances and beat the shit outta a much taller and heavier man in Willard.

I don't think this era is the best. There have been many though (70s, 30s, etc). Not just about size the fighters of yesterday we're quite sophisticated.
What skills did they use that aren’t used today? Jab and grab, wrestle and hold was popular back in the day.
Jack Dempsey is a plodding fucking midget, he wouldn’t be a heavyweight. Have you seen Willard actually fight? To compare that atrocious specimen to Wilder, Joshua or Fury? Don’t be ridiculous.
 
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People think boxing hasn’t evolved, that these absolute bums would be competitive today. Boxing fans are the most delusional and tied to history out of any sports fans. It’s ridiculous. You may as well be talking about a different sport.


 
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You say Joshua-Wilder is a 50/50 fight.

Since when has Joshua had an iron chin?
I gave Wilder 50/50 against Wlad and Lewis. If Joshua had an iron chin I’d have Wilder 10-90, as I did with Holyfield and Tyson. Joshua is a far better boxer than Wilder.

Thinking isn’t your thing huh? Numbers confuse you?
 
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Just because I think somebody is going to be at the top in most eras due to his freakish power doesn’t mean that I think he’s great.
It’s you who is confused. I’ve explained it as clearly as is possible, you’re obviously not capable.
Freakish power against who exactly?
 

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People think boxing hasn’t evolved, that these absolute bums would be competitive today. Boxing fans are the most delusional and tied to history out of any sports fans. It’s ridiculous. You may as well be talking about a different sport.


 
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