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AJ s lack of amature experience was the telling factor Vs Ruiz IMO.

He couldnt figure out what to do with a shorter fighter who pressured him with his feet, waited for the lead and threw over and around his guard. He was puzzled in the corner between rounds, asking McKracken what he should do but seeming unable to carry out a simple box/keep it long/straight punches strat. In the 7th when Ruiz changed track and went to the body AJ was completley undone technichally. He was was outboxed. He couldnt jab because he was getting countered over it, if he opened up he got caught with short hooks, now his head was an open target because he was hurt to the body. Checkmate

IMO AJ being unable to get to grips with Ruizs style was the story of the fight, not a bad camp or illness etc. No excuses.

What technical adjustments does AJ need to make to win the rematch and is he capable of making them?
 

Squire

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Ideally fight more like Wladimir Klitschko. He isn't going to be able to learn and implement that style with one training camp, but anything would be a bonus, which could be enough to win the fight. It isn't as if he was completely shut out and schooled; Ruiz was the better man on the night, but AJ isn't suddenly a chump like people are saying, he's still a world class heavyweight. Ruiz has the style advantage, but there isn't a giant gulf in class between them.

It's a fascinating fight. I suppose Joshua could do the opposite, never taking a backwards step and have a tear up in the middle of the ring. That would be a short, brutal fight and could go either way, but if that was all the AJ team were banking on it would probably be a mistake to take the fight

With the right adjustments I'd give Joshua a roughly half chance of winning the rematch, without them it's probably more like 30-40%
 
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DBerry

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'Straya, cunt.
Wait, so AJ wins a gold medal yet lacks amateur experience, wins a world heavyweight title and defends it multiple times against some of the best, is an amateur!?

Fuck I’m sick of this bullshit narrative, he’s a seasoned fighter who held most of the world heavyweight championship belts. He got fucking smashed. Mike Tyson won the world heavyweight title at 19, should we have given him a ‘soft’ option on being world heavyweight champion and letting him mature before he faced the true contenders?
 

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He has to find a way to use the range and height advantage pay off. Box at a distance don't let Ruiz get close and move well. If he can do that for the first half effectively then Ruiz might start to take the risk of coming to him and then AJ has to catch him on the way in. Otherwise just keep it at a distance with Jabs. Will be a pretty boring fight that way but looks like the knockout attacks don't work on Ruiz as he doesn't get dazed after a knockdown like all the others AJ has faced so he needs to have the self-discipline not to go for the kill even if he rocks Ruiz.
 
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He has to find a way to use the range and height advantage pay off. Box at a distance don't let Ruiz get close and move well. If he can do that for the first half effectively then Ruiz might start to take the risk of coming to him and then AJ has to catch him on the way in. Otherwise just keep it at a distance with Jabs. Will be a pretty boring fight that way but looks like the knockout attacks don't work on Ruiz as he doesn't get dazed after a knockdown like all the others AJ has faced so he needs to have the self-discipline not to go for the kill even if he rocks Ruiz.
He was blowing out of his arse after two rounds, he has a lot more to work than just a game plan against Ruiz the guy has a terrible gas tank. If they fight again the stoppage will come quicker for Ruiz, no doubt about it.
 
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Ar558a

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He was blowing out of his arse after two rounds, he has a lot more to work than just a game plan against Ruiz the guy has a terrible gas tank. If they fight again the stoppage will come quicker for Ruiz, no doubt about it.
I don't think that is true. I have watched it twice now and he only looked tired post R3. He was slow in rounds 1 and 2 and didn't look right but not tired. I can't believe he didn't prepare right physically and he hasn't had trouble stamina wise except when he was floored by WK and need to recharge.

Also you clearly hate AJ to think that he lose worse to Ruiz next time. I can't say he will definitely win but he will be better prepared next time and last longer.
 
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Wait, so AJ wins a gold medal yet lacks amateur experience, wins a world heavyweight title and defends it multiple times against some of the best, is an amateur!?

Fuck I’m sick of this bullshit narrative, he’s a seasoned fighter who held most of the world heavyweight championship belts. He got fucking smashed. Mike Tyson won the world heavyweight title at 19, should we have given him a ‘soft’ option on being world heavyweight champion and letting him mature before he faced the true contenders?
So he didn't look befuddled and ask mckracken what he should do? He took up boxing late (19) and ha rose to the top of the am and pro game due to his prodigious natural talent. He doesn't have that background and schooling,that ring iq ,that those with a longer background have IMO....
It's a better and more realistic narrative than AJ had a panic attack/was kod in sparring/was I'll etc
 
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He was blowing out of his arse after two rounds, he has a lot more to work than just a game plan against Ruiz the guy has a terrible gas tank. If they fight again the stoppage will come quicker for Ruiz, no doubt about it.
I think AJ was being put under pressure by Ruiz, this led to mental and physical fatigue.
 
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Ruiz Jr. seems like a tough one to crack. The guy can walk you down and counter you into oblivion. Parker tried outboxing Ruiz Jr. and did well enough, but I don't think many thought he won that fight.

I'd say box and hug would be the strategy I'd give AJ. He's fucked if they have an impartial referee that will take points away, though.

Pretty much Klitschko completely neutralized Povetkin by hugging.
 
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Hard to implement a style like Wlads when you're as lead footed as Joshua is.
 
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Hard to implement a style like Wlads when you're as lead footed as Joshua is.
Good point.

Can't really say anything that hasn't been said by other members.

Aside from strategy in the ring he needs a mental coach so he can train well and he also needs to work on his cardio. I would keep him away from the weights now until then. As far as in the ring, I would teach him how to fight off the backfoot more effectively and how to tie up when hurt or when he has to smother Ruiz. He needs to make it a boring fight, time Ruiz, and set him up. In a perfect world, Ruiz will be taking chances after the 6th like someone described. I'd make AJ plan on boxing to a decision and make sure he has the cardio to do so. Just seal the deal and get through the fight. If he boxes as well as Lennox could (not sure Wlad was on Lewis' level) then he will end the fight in dramatic fashion before the 12th. Lewis v Rahman II style. Just lull Ruiz to sleep. I don't have time to watch the 3rd round before I finish this post, but he seemed to have got Ruiz slipping which led to the knockdown. AJ just walked in, threw a combo, and ended it with a hook that put him down. I saw AJ catch Ruiz with a hook that wasn't exactly on the inside.
 
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I think AJ was being put under pressure by Ruiz, this led to mental and physical fatigue.
After 2 rounds though? They showed him in the corner after the second and he was blowing out of his arse McCracken didn't know what to be saying to him.
 
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Can he box like that though? His jab is rarely thrown like a weapon,like Lennox did. It just seems to be a sighter for the right hand.
Lennox could win both ways bang or box. I'm yet to b convinced AJ can
Maybe not like Lewis but perhaps he can box like Manning Galloway.

Had the ugliest hit, run, hug, herky jerky style I have seen. But was effective completely bamboozled the highly touted and unbeaten British power puncher Pat Barrett. I think every novice fighter should watch Galloway he was so good at winning ugly he made it an artform.
Galloway. Even made a comeback at the age of 44 and beat highly touted contenders Said Ouali and the Olympian Ricardo Williams jnr.

Manning Galloway at his best

 
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Maybe not like Lewis but perhaps he can box like Manning Galloway.

Had the ugliest hit, run, hug, herky jerky style I have seen. But was effective completely bamboozled the highly touted and unbeaten British power puncher Pat Barrett. I think every novice fighter should watch Galloway he was so good at winning ugly he made it an artform.
Galloway. Even made a comeback at the age of 44 and beat highly touted contenders Said Ouali and the Olympian Ricardo Williams jnr.

Manning Galloway at his best

AJ has become a multi millionaire by being an exciting fighter. He's not going to turn that in and become a spoiler to win fights IMO. Obviously,his style needs tweaking but he's always going to be s big,badass banger
 
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AJ has become a multi millionaire by being an exciting fighter. He's not going to turn that in and become a spoiler to win fights IMO. Obviously,his style needs tweaking but he's always going to be s big,badass banger
Maybe so but in the rematch with Ruiz...he should follow Mickey Duffs rule of "Get the win this time, and look good the next fight.."

A spoiler like Manning Galloway who can punch at the same time..would be fascinating combination. Completley bamboozle and frustrate the opponent and then knock them out.
 
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Ar558a

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Maybe so but in the rematch with Ruiz...he should follow Mickey Duffs rule of "Get the win this time, and look good the next fight.."

A spoiler like Manning Galloway who can punch at the same time..would be fascinating combination. Completley bamboozle and frustrate the opponent and then knock them out.
I agree totally, AJ is a great KO artist but the styles clearly don't allow that with Ruiz. He has to fight boring to win and then can go back to KOing guys who are more vulnerable to his style
 
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He has to find a way to use the range and height advantage pay off. Box at a distance don't let Ruiz get close and move well. If he can do that for the first half effectively then Ruiz might start to take the risk of coming to him and then AJ has to catch him on the way in. Otherwise just keep it at a distance with Jabs. Will be a pretty boring fight that way but looks like the knockout attacks don't work on Ruiz as he doesn't get dazed after a knockdown like all the others AJ has faced so he needs to have the self-discipline not to go for the kill even if he rocks Ruiz.
Sick breakdown bro you ever thought about getting your coaching badges?

Honestly thought that was manny steward posting for a few seconds.
 
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