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Haggis

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You're being charitable.

She made a comment with conviction. When she was then asked to qualify the comment and elaborate, she was literally left speechless before retreating to 'I'm not an expert on geo-politics'.

Replace AOC with Trump in that situation and you'd be telling us how utterly embarrassing the whole exchange was.
Yeah, Trump would claim that he's not an expert, instead of claiming that he knows more about it than anybody on the planet. :lol:

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What is this stupid shit she says, for example?

I don't know much about her other than the Hardcore Republicans have an absolute hardon for hating on her.

What shit does she say?

In the video Pedderrs posted she was asked a question and said she gave a fairly weak response then said she wasn't an expert on geo-politics. She was mocked for that. I don't think you need to be an expert to know the situation in Gaza is a travesty and the Isrealis bear most of the burden of blame for it.

Then she's criticized for criticizing rampant capitalism.

What am I missing?

Genuine question.
Well defending the US Customs and Immigration Enforcement department can be viewed as a highly naive and ideological step. Everything is subjective, but I can see how that could be perceived as flat out stupidity.
 
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Can she become president, i have no idea of how it works in America ?. Think i saw someone say she is to young and obviously untested....but maybe down the line ?. Also do you think she is more a hindrance to the dems or a godsend to the under fire republicans ?, to focus on and try and win voters over.
 
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Can she become president, i have no idea of how it works in America ?. Think i saw someone say she is to young and obviously untested....but maybe down the line ?. Also do you think she is more a hindrance to the dems or a godsend to the under fire republicans ?, to focus on and try and win voters over.
She's bad for the democrats. She'll turn off too many moderates.
 
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Well she certainly makes an impression and yes she is easy on the eye.

She has some batshit policy’s such as racial equity.

But this is one of the best moments by a politician in Washington, maybe since Galloway went there and twatted the Yanks

 

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What is this stupid shit she says, for example?

I don't know much about her other than the Hardcore Republicans have an absolute hardon for hating on her.

What shit does she say?

In the video Pedderrs posted she was asked a question and said she gave a fairly weak response then said she wasn't an expert on geo-politics. She was mocked for that. I don't think you need to be an expert to know the situation in Gaza is a travesty and the Isrealis bear most of the burden of blame for it.

Then she's criticized for criticizing rampant capitalism.

What am I missing?

Genuine question.
US posters want to harass, castigate a young social progressive aiming to reduce inequality, systemic corruption while congress is filled with law makers who are seasoned crooks and corporate shills. Blows my fucking mind how backward and self defeating the US can be. If Faux News has painted her as some some boogey man to target, well that means she's doing something good for the US worker.
 
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AOC is social media savvy as well. Her stuff is not unlike Trumps which goes viral and paints a large impression on the younger generation and also fires up those downtrodden angry demographics who want change. The democrats and left leaning politicians have been sorely missing someone who can properly use social media to their advantage like Trump can.
 
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You're being charitable.

She made a comment with conviction. When she was then asked to qualify the comment and elaborate, she was literally left speechless before retreating to 'I'm not an expert on geo-politics'.

Replace AOC with Trump in that situation and you'd be telling us how utterly embarrassing the whole exchange was.
Maybe. It's a stretch though. Trump would've tried to bullshit his way out of it and sounded legitimately retarded though. Then he'd claim to be an expert on geo-politics politics. At least she had the self awareness to concede.

Still, even not giving her the benefit of the doubt the reaction seems a bit disproportional to the blunder.
 

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Maybe. It's a stretch though. Trump would've tried to bullshit his way out of it and sounded legitimately retarded though. Then he'd claim to be an expert on geo-politics politics. At least she had the self awareness to concede.

Still, even not giving her the benefit of the doubt the reaction seems a bit disproportional to the blunder.
this times a million

she may say retarded things,but she can say them in fucking english

trump says retarded things while murdering the fucking language............and will then immediately lie to your face and say he never said it.............and,BTW,he is a bigly expert on the matter and has all the best facts...........

how the fuck people cant figure this shit out is beyond me

ANYONE not cringing and legit embarrassed by watching trump try tp speak unscripted is a fucking moron
 
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mandela

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US posters want to harass, castigate a young social progressive aiming to reduce inequality, systemic corruption while congress is filled with law makers who are seasoned crooks and corporate shills. Blows my fucking mind how backward and self defeating the US can be. If Faux News has painted her as some some boogey man to target, well that means she's doing something good for the US worker.
Interesting.

Many Trump supporters, who are now embarrassed they voted for him, hide behind the "I was voting against the establishment" excuse yet many of these people seem to deride this AOC person for being everything the establishment isn't.

I could be way off here. I genuinely only know her from passing headlines but this stinks of bandwagoning because the establishment don't want the things she's saying to be given credence.
 
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US posters want to harass, castigate a young social progressive aiming to reduce inequality, systemic corruption while congress is filled with law makers who are seasoned crooks and corporate shills. Blows my fucking mind how backward and self defeating the US can be. If Faux News has painted her as some some boogey man to target, well that means she's doing something good for the US worker.
Do you honestly think her policies would make America a wealthier country than it is now? Would her ideas create more jobs? I don't think so, not in the slightest, because while those things are all right, what people miss is that there's an ever ongoing war in the world over money and status, and whilst that isn't pleasant and we'd all prefer not to be a part of it, the simple fact is, people like Trump are better at that war than AOC would ever be.

This is my whole thing with politics. I look at people like AOC, Bernie Sanders etc. (although not nasty, vindictive people like Corbyn) and just think "I wish you were right". I wish they were because if they were, the world would be so much of a better place to live in. I want these people to win the ideological right and it saddens me that the majority of people I agree with on politics annoy me, I think they're mostly twats. I want people like AOC and Sanders to win throughout the world but would they genuinely improve things? I don't think so. There's a delusion amongst them and that empathy and caring nature that I admire goes too far beyond pragmatism, and that's what lets them down. No politician will ever be 100% right but the sad thing is, the areas that the 'nice' left lets themselves down in makes them unelectable, and the people who do make those necessary compromises get attacked by the hardcore left.

I like AOC, I think she gets a lot of unfair criticism and I'd love to see her be vice president to Sanders or something along those lines.
 

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The way the people in Pedderrs video reacted by saying the want her in the limelight I thought she was a Dianne Abbott type person who is legit counter productive in every possible fuckin way.
 

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Do you honestly think her policies would make America a wealthier country than it is now? Would her ideas create more jobs? I don't think so, not in the slightest, because while those things are all right, what people miss is that there's an ever ongoing war in the world over money and status, and whilst that isn't pleasant and we'd all prefer not to be a part of it, the simple fact is, people like Trump are better at that war than AOC would ever be.

This is my whole thing with politics. I look at people like AOC, Bernie Sanders etc. (although not nasty, vindictive people like Corbyn) and just think "I wish you were right". I wish they were because if they were, the world would be so much of a better place to live in. I want these people to win the ideological right and it saddens me that the majority of people I agree with on politics annoy me, I think they're mostly twats. I want people like AOC and Sanders to win throughout the world but would they genuinely improve things? I don't think so. There's a delusion amongst them and that empathy and caring nature that I admire goes too far beyond pragmatism, and that's what lets them down. No politician will ever be 100% right but the sad thing is, the areas that the 'nice' left lets themselves down in makes them unelectable, and the people who do make those necessary compromises get attacked by the hardcore left.

I like AOC, I think she gets a lot of unfair criticism and I'd love to see her be vice president to Sanders or something along those lines.
I completely get the sentiment, man. But this is exactly the type of defeatist mentality the establishment relies on to exist and prosper.

I mean, your first line...American doesn't need to be a richer country. It needs to be a more equal country.

That's what disappoints me. Trump can say the economy is booming and people celebrate that when it's only benefitting the top few percent of richest people. In this booming economy the average person is making the same money as they were in 1972 (adjusted for inflation). Yet it's these very people who celebrate this booming economy that is literally booming at their expense and they're too I'll informed to recognize this.

That's what I find sad and when people like Bernie, and I assume AOC(?), highlight this they are mocked for being idealistic.

What's the alternative, man? Just fuckin accept the continual increase in inequality?
 

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I completely get the sentiment, man. But this is exactly the type of defeatist mentality the establishment relies on to exist and prosper.

I mean, your first line...American doesn't need to be a richer country. It needs to be a more equal country.

That's what disappoints me. Trump can say the economy is booming and people celebrate that when it's only benefitting the top few percent of richest people. In this booming economy the average person is making the same money as they were in 1972 (adjusted for inflation). Yet it's these very people who celebrate this booming economy that is literally booming at their expense and they're too I'll informed to recognize this.

That's what I find sad and when people like Bernie, and I assume AOC(?), highlight this they are mocked for being idealistic.

What's the alternative, man? Just fuckin accept the continual increase in inequality?
Honestly, I don't really care about inequality.

I come from a working class, all Labour voting background, the school I went to was one of the bottom 50 (I think) in the country and in a deprived area so I'm not coming at this point from a lack of understanding or what poor is or anything like that, but the simple fact is, I don't care about people in the top 1% earning massive amounts of money. Good on them, they're successful and shouldn't be sneered at for it, but all I care about is helping everyone. I'd rather have a more inequal economy where the poor have more money, than a more equal economy where everyone stays the same or the poor suffer. If I'm poor or middle class in America, I'd much rather have Trump watching over the economy than AOC because the policies she wants would cripple America financially. I get it, I get her and I like her...but it's not feasible.

As for it being defeatist, I agree, it is, but it's also realistic because the second any country stops being on the attack, they'll suffer. We don't live in a fair world where nations want to help each other and citizens do what's best for their neighbour. I wish we did - if I had the choice of every nation being run by their own AOC tomorrow, I'd take it and I think the world would be a better place but this will never happen. It's sad that this is the case but there is no realistic alternative to this very aggressive, ruthless, nasty ruling order that we have.
 

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Honestly, I don't really care about inequality.

I come from a working class, all Labour voting background, the school I went to was one of the bottom 50 (I think) in the country and in a deprived area so I'm not coming at this point from a lack of understanding or what poor is or anything like that, but the simple fact is, I don't care about people in the top 1% earning massive amounts of money. Good on them, they're successful and shouldn't be sneered at for it, but all I care about is helping everyone. I'd rather have a more inequal economy where the poor have more money, than a more equal economy where everyone stays the same or the poor suffer. If I'm poor or middle class in America, I'd much rather have Trump watching over the economy than AOC because the policies she wants would cripple America financially. I get it, I get her and I like her...but it's not feasible.

As for it being defeatist, I agree, it is, but it's also realistic because the second any country stops being on the attack, they'll suffer. We don't live in a fair world where nations want to help each other and citizens do what's best for their neighbour. I wish we did - if I had the choice of every nation being run by their own AOC tomorrow, I'd take it and I think the world would be a better place but this will never happen. It's sad that this is the case but there is no realistic alternative to this very aggressive, ruthless, nasty ruling order that we have.
Sorry, man...that's a fuckin unbelievably stupid post. The first paragraph, anyway

"Good on them, they're successful and shouldn't be sneered at?"

Are you fuckin serious?

They pay to have the system rigged in their favor. You talk as if they have emerged from the population on hard work and ingenuity, ffs. Utterly ridiculous. They come from inherited wealth that they accumulate through the financed repression of those who all never ever have a fair chance to compete with them ever. They have designed a system where only they can realistically succeed and they will continue to hoard that wealth at the rests expense.

What you've typed is outrageously stupid and naive. I'm not attacking you here either, man. This is an honest assessment of what you've said. Unbelievable.
 
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Honestly, I don't really care about inequality.
Everything you have said after this is pretty much void, because you have started off by stating "Honestly, I don't really care about social stability and worker's rights."

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Everything you have said after this is pretty much void, because you have started off by stating "Honestly, I don't really care about social stability and worker's rights."

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Except you can have social stability and workers rights in an unequal society. The rich being richer doesn't mean that the working class have to treated poorly, what a ridiculous - and extremely childish - argument that is. It's the same 'rich = evil' mentality that is part of the root of a lot of division in society.

To suggest I don't care about workers rights is just pathetic, honestly. I actually defend you a lot, which I assume you've noticed, because I think people are well out of line and often ruin threads. I was going to post a defence of you again in the 'random pictures' thread because you were being unfairly attacked in that too. However, when you post nonsense like this, it makes me think that it's no wonder people have it out for you. You dismiss everything I wrote, including praise for Sanders who I like more than any other politician in the west today, and then come back with "You don't care about workers rights". I'm not going to address that point properly, it's just childish and pathetic.
 

Haggis

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Except you can have social stability and workers rights in an unequal society. The rich being richer doesn't mean that the working class have to treated poorly, what a ridiculous - and extremely childish - argument that is. It's the same 'rich = evil' mentality that is part of the root of a lot of division in society.

To suggest I don't care about workers rights is just pathetic, honestly. I actually defend you a lot, which I assume you've noticed, because I think people are well out of line and often ruin threads. I was going to post a defence of you again in the 'random pictures' thread because you were being unfairly attacked in that too. However, when you post nonsense like this, it makes me think that it's no wonder people have it out for you. You dismiss everything I wrote, including praise for Sanders who I like more than any other politician in the west today, and then come back with "You don't care about workers rights". I'm not going to address that point properly, it's just childish and pathetic.
Alright, that was a harsh response, but your post was just.... I can't think of a way to politely phrase it.

Have you looked at where the stratification of American (the thread topic) wealth is going these last 40 years? How far out of control it is already, and how the trend just keeps on accelerating? That the super rich now have ALL the wealth and ALL the power and ALL the control in Washington? Where do you think that road ends?

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