Amir Khan vs. Kell Brook

Khan vs. Brook Winner and How?

  • Amir Khan Stoppage

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • Amir Khan Decision

    Votes: 6 20.0%
  • Draw

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • Kell Brook Decision

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kell Brook Stoppage

    Votes: 20 66.7%

  • Total voters
    30

steviebruno

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Kell Brook turned Professional in 2004 at welterweight a year before Amir Khan, started calling out Khan in 2005 whilst Khan was still an Amateur was fighting at Lightweight . It took Kell 10 Years to fight for a World title even then he said he was willing up his title shot to Porter by making a public challenge to Khan.

Kell has just had a weird career, by pursuing his own carrer would have been a superstar in his own right....Spent his entire career piggy backing of Khans name and waiting for Khan to give him a Paycheck.

His second best win is what Frankie Gavin.
That's fair. It's still disingenuous to say he hasn't tested himself against the best when he fought GGG at middle, then came back down to welter for Spence when he really did not have to.
 
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That's fair. It's still disingenuous to say he hasn't tested himself against the best when he fought GGG at middle, then came back down to welter for Spence when he really did not have to.
He fought GGG he deserves credit for that, even though it was a reacttion to Khan fighting Canelo he went back down to face Spence in the hope of landing a huge money fight with Khan. Story of his career Kell was in my opinion the most talented British fighter of his generation his career over all has not lived up to his Talent.

For the record I am Brook fan have followed most of his career created a thread about Brook Vs Eubank Jnr months before Kell fought GGG here https://www.checkhookboxing.com/index.php?threads/kell-brook-vs-chris-eubank-jr-who-you-got.84441/

In my opinion he would have beaten Eubank jnr at the time that would have propelled Kells career . Fact is Khan is a chinny fighter with a herky jerky amateur style has over achieved did not think he would get this far when he was getting floored by the likes of Willie Limond .

Kell Brook should have been a multi-weight champion in my opinion and Superstar in his own right but had the most slow motion career ever he turned Pro-around about the same time as Tim Bradlery and Andre Berto...Spent 10 years flaffing around before fighting for a World title to put things into perspective the Careers of British Legends Nigel Benn and Naseem hamed lasted 10 years. I dont get this Kell is a victim argument he is a victim of his own stupidity. There is nothing wrong with Piggy Back marketing, by using more famous fighters name, he cam from the same gym as Naz Hamed who was a Superstar at the time so all he had to do was Use Hameds name to publicise, instead he made a decision to try and play Kiss and chase with Khan.
 

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He fought GGG he deserves credit for that, even though it was a reacttion to Khan fighting Canelo he went back down to face Spence in the hope of landing a huge money fight with Khan. Story of his career Kell was in my opinion the most talented British fighter of his generation his career over all has not lived up to his Talent.

For the record I am Brook fan have followed most of his career created a thread about Brook Vs Eubank Jnr months before Kell fought GGG here https://www.checkhookboxing.com/index.php?threads/kell-brook-vs-chris-eubank-jr-who-you-got.84441/

In my opinion he would have beaten Eubank jnr at the time that would have propelled Kells career . Fact is Khan is a chinny fighter with a herky jerky amateur style has over achieved did not think he would get this far when he was getting floored by the likes of Willie Limond .

Kell Brook should have been a multi-weight champion in my opinion and Superstar in his own right but had the most slow motion career ever he turned Pro-around about the same time as Tim Bradlery and Andre Berto...Spent 10 years flaffing around before fighting for a World title to put things into perspective the Careers of British Legends Nigel Benn and Naseem hamed lasted 10 years. I dont get this Kell is a victim argument he is a victim of his own stupidity. There is nothing wrong with Piggy Back marketing, by using more famous fighters name, he cam from the same gym as Naz Hamed who was a Superstar at the time so all he had to do was Use Hameds name to publicise, instead he made a decision to try and play Kiss and chase with Khan.
I think it would be rather silly to use someone as dangerous as Errol Spence as a negotiating ploy for Amir Khan, don't you? Let's just call the fight what it was... a matchup between 2 of the 3 best welters at the time which would determine supremacy at the weight for the forseeable future.

How has Khan overachieved, given all the hype he was getting, even as an amateur? He was supposed to be the DLH of his era at the very least, challenging people like Floyd and Manny. When was his last notable win? Which big fight did he actually make?

This is a classic case of tortoise and hare and both guys are at a similar place now in terms of accomplishments.
 
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I’m not disputing that Whyte has been in with good fighters but he can’t be moaning he hasn’t had a world title shot when he’s turned down two final eliminators.

In my opinion Pulev & Ortiz are clearly better boxers than Parker & Chisora & therefore Whyte & his team knew he was likely to be on the end of a wide UD loss in both so took stylistically easier fights
He wouldn’t have been the next mandatory challenger even if he beat Ortiz so it wasn’t really a final eliminator. He’s on record as saying he’d fight Ortiz if the WBC promised him a shot next which is perfectly reasonable, and I have no reason to disbelieve him given his aggressive matchmaking and risk taking to date.

On Pulev, he’d have been mandatory challenger for AJ if he won but the whole situation around that was a bit murky. From memory, the people who won purse bids didn’t comply with the regulations regarding the percentage of their bid they had to deposit within certain time frames. Also, the prize would have been a shot at AJ and, with Dillian being in house, that’s a fight he can have pretty much anytime. Both AJ and Dillian would love a rematch against each other and are on record as saying so. Seems a bit pointless fighting Pulev when Dillian clearly wanted the Wilder route in order to gain a world title to come to the negotiating table with against AJ.
 
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I think it would be rather silly to use someone as dangerous as Errol Spence as a negotiating ploy for Amir Khan, don't you? Let's just call the fight what it was... a matchup between 2 of the 3 best welters at the time which would determine supremacy at the weight for the forseeable future.

How has Khan overachieved, given all the hype he was getting, even as an amateur? He was supposed to be the DLH of his era at the very least, challenging people like Floyd and Manny. When was his last notable win? Which big fight did he actually make?

This is a classic case of tortoise and hare and both guys are at a similar place now in terms of accomplishments.
Yes it was a mandatory defence he had to make in order to keep his title......! In terms of accomplishments Khans resume is way better then Brooks. Not even close.

Khan may have been the next Oscatr De La hoya in his own head, I cant remember him being described as the Next De La Hoya. And What is Kell Brooks notable win other then Shawn Porter.

In anycase Kell Brook needs Khan for the paycvheck whilst Khan dont need him, he simply has the way bigger Bank Balance, and is a household name, can go to any town in the U.K. and be recognised. Brook chose to hang on to Khans coat tails for most of his career he is not deserving of any sympathy. Khan fighting Terence Crawford would not be exactly a downgrade in opponent for him. Besides Brook is not going anywhere he will still be there this time next year begging Khan for the paycheck.
 
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Khan should have fought Pacquiao and Mayweather in his prime. At least one of them anyway, preferably Mayweather would have been a terrific fight.
Brook should have fought Thurman post Porter, imo I think Brook would have matched up well against Keef.
 

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Yes it was a mandatory defence he had to make in order to keep his title......! In terms of accomplishments Khans resume is way better then Brooks. Not even close.

Khan may have been the next Oscatr De La hoya in his own head, I cant remember him being described as the Next De La Hoya. And What is Kell Brooks notable win other then Shawn Porter.

In anycase Kell Brook needs Khan for the paycvheck whilst Khan dont need him, he simply has the way bigger Bank Balance, and is a household name, can go to any town in the U.K. and be recognised. Brook chose to hang on to Khans coat tails for most of his career he is not deserving of any sympathy. Khan fighting Terence Crawford would not be exactly a downgrade in opponent for him. Besides Brook is not going anywhere he will still be there this time next year begging Khan for the paycheck.
Kell did not have to fight GGG at 160, nor did he have to go back down to 147 for Spence; he could have campaigned at 154, collected a strap there, and enticed Spence and the other top welters to move up in order to face him.

What is Khan's biggest win? Who has he beaten that is as good as Shawn Porter? An old Zab Judah? Maidana, in which he spent the last three rounds running for his life? How many humiliating defeats has he suffered in the process?

I get the criticism about Kell's career, but that in no way justifies Amir Khan's continued ducking of him. Kell took forever to reach the top, but Amir still pretended that he didn't exist, even when Kell finally was able to lay claim as the best at 147... something Khan has never been able to do.

...Hell, Tim Bradley was the man at 140, where Khan got dumped on his ass in four against Garcia.

Amir essentially sat around waiting for Floyd or Manny to come calling (the same way Kell waited for Khan) but I don't see anyone criticizing him.
 

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Khan should have fought Pacquiao and Mayweather in his prime. At least one of them anyway, preferably Mayweather would have been a terrific fight.
Brook should have fought Thurman post Porter, imo I think Brook would have matched up well against Keef.
The thing is, Amir Khan could never string together enough impressive wins to position himself for Floyd or Manny, and so resorted to sitting around and waiting.
 
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Kell did not have to fight GGG at 160, nor did he have to go back down to 147 for Spence; he could have campaigned at 154, collected a strap there, and enticed Spence and the other top welters to move up in order to face him.

What is Khan's biggest win? Who has he beaten that is as good as Shawn Porter? An old Zab Judah? Maidana, in which he spent the last three rounds running for his life? How many humiliating defeats has he suffered in the process?

I get the criticism about Kell's career, but that in no way justifies Amir Khan's continued ducking of him. Kell took forever to reach the top, but Amir still pretended that he didn't exist, even when Kell finally was able to lay claim as the best at 147... something Khan has never been able to do.

...Hell, Tim Bradley was the man at 140, where Khan got dumped on his ass in four against Garcia.

Amir essentially sat around waiting for Floyd or Manny to come calling (the same way Kell waited for Khan) but I don't see anyone criticizing him.
Seriously I am not sure when Kell Brook layed claim as the best, considering he did not unify with any other titlists..... Seriously you are going to try and justify that Kell Brook has faced the better opposition in his career. GGG was Kells Brooks biggest paycheck abt 2.3 Million sterling. Straight up Kell did have to move down to Welterweight and face Spence...He certainly would not have enticed Khan to 154 and Kell Brooks career has been all about "Amir Khan" and the Paycheck the Fame and endorsements that brings.
 

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Seriously I am not sure when Kell Brook layed claim as the best, considering he did not unify with any other titlists..... Seriously you are going to try and justify that Kell Brook has faced the better opposition in his career. GGG was Kells Brooks biggest paycheck abt 2.3 Million sterling. Straight up Kell did have to move down to Welterweight and face Spence...He certainly would not have enticed Khan to 154 and Kell Brooks career has been all about "Amir Khan" and the Paycheck the Fame and endorsements that brings.
SMH. Amir Khan was the golden goose who got a couple of HBO dates that, it turns out, he didn't really deserve. So what?

After Kell beat Porter, he had a legit claim as the best at 147. It does not mean that he was the best outright, but it did place in a position that Khan has never occupied.

I'm not justifying Kell's career in any way, just asking you to stop justifying Amir's ducking of him. It's silly.

And I asked you for Khan's best win. What was it?
 

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SMH. Amir Khan was the golden goose who got a couple of HBO dates that, it turns out, he didn't really deserve. So what?

After Kell beat Porter, he had a legit claim as the best at 147. It does not mean that he was the best outright, but it did place in a position that Khan has never occupied.

I'm not justifying Kell's career in any way, just asking you to stop justifying Amir's ducking of him. It's silly.

And I asked you for Khan's best win. What was it?
Khan had a claim to be the best at 140 after he beat Maidana kotelnik and malignaggi. Certainly a stronger claim than brook who has had one good win his entire career.

If you rank the top ten wins between them, khan would hold at least 7 of them.

Khan has had better wins, had a longer peak, is a bigger name in the uk, a bigger name in America and has made more money.

Khans ducking of brook has been so blatant. But kell walks around with a sense of entitlement that pisses me off. He should have focused on his own career rather than waste it chasing khan. Its been obvious for a number of years that khan feels its a lose lose situation for him and wont take the fight. Except at least khan has had a career. Brook hasnt and will be forgotten a week after he retires
 

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Khan should have fought Pacquiao and Mayweather in his prime. At least one of them anyway, preferably Mayweather would have been a terrific fight.
Brook should have fought Thurman post Porter, imo I think Brook would have matched up well against Keef.
Yea but brook has never been about facing the best. That never interested him
 
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At the end of the day the fans have supported Amir Khan & made him a multi millionaire, as far as I’m concerned he should get in with his main rival & give the British public what they’ve wanted for years.

Khan doesn't owe anybody shit. A large section of British fans have been hating on him for years, he gets booed out of the building whenever he appears on TV in arenas.

People (and I include Sky and Matchroom) who've done nothing but criticise Amir for years him, trying to guilt trip him into making a fight they hope he loses by knockout. With friends like that...
 
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If khan fought brook in 2015 after his win against alexander, and khan went on to beat brook in a good performance, he would have been seen as a pound 4 pound star for the first time in his career, or atleast managed to position himself at a shot vs pacquiao post FMJ, but instead he fought fucking chris algeri went life and death and then went on a hiatus for ovet a year. Khans has some good wins on his record but the way he ducked brook is just shocking it did more harm then good.
 

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Khan had a claim to be the best at 140 after he beat Maidana kotelnik and malignaggi. Certainly a stronger claim than brook who has had one good win his entire career.

If you rank the top ten wins between them, khan would hold at least 7 of them.

Khan has had better wins, had a longer peak, is a bigger name in the uk, a bigger name in America and has made more money.

Khans ducking of brook has been so blatant. But kell walks around with a sense of entitlement that pisses me off. He should have focused on his own career rather than waste it chasing khan. Its been obvious for a number of years that khan feels its a lose lose situation for him and wont take the fight. Except at least khan has had a career. Brook hasnt and will be forgotten a week after he retires
Malignaggi? Kotelnik? Madaina, whom he spent three rounds literally running away from? That impresses you? No, Bradley was the man at 140 and universally regarded as such.

After Brook beat Porter, he became part of a three-headed monster which included Errol Spence and Keith Thurman. His performance against Spence, in which he was much more impressive than Khan was against Maidana, showed the he belonged.

He may be forgotten a week after he retires, but so will Amir Khan.
 

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Malignaggi? Kotelnik? Madaina, whom he spent three rounds literally running away from? That impresses you? No, Bradley was the man at 140 and universally regarded as such.

After Brook beat Porter, he became part of a three-headed monster which included Errol Spence and Keith Thurman. His performance against Spence, in which he was much more impressive than Khan was against Maidana, showed the he belonged.

He may be forgotten a week after he retires, but so will Amir Khan.
Khan and Bradley were the consensus top 2. Brook was one of three, as you said. Kotelnik maidana and malignaggi are better than anyone brook has beaten with the exception of porter. Although I doubt brook beats maidana. He'd probably have his eye socket bust again
 
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Malignaggi? Kotelnik? Madaina, whom he spent three rounds literally running away from? That impresses you? No, Bradley was the man at 140 and universally regarded as such.

After Brook beat Porter, he became part of a three-headed monster which included Errol Spence and Keith Thurman. His performance against Spence, in which he was much more impressive than Khan was against Maidana, showed the he belonged.

He may be forgotten a week after he retires, but so will Amir Khan.

So "running away" from Maidana renders Khan's performance in that fight invalid. But Brook taking a couple of rounds off Spence (before having his face caved in and quitting) is actually a really impressive achievement.

Great.
 

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So "running away" from Maidana renders Khan's performance in that fight invalid. But Brook taking a couple of rounds off Spence (before having his face caved in and quitting) is actually a really impressive achievement.

Great.
Exactly.


Kell fought bravely to the end against an elite operator... one of the most elite in the game today. Amir ran like a bitch against a journeyman. For three rounds. Like literally turned his back and ran away. Deal with it.
 

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If khan fought brook in 2015 after his win against alexander, and khan went on to beat brook in a good performance, he would have been seen as a pound 4 pound star for the first time in his career, or atleast managed to position himself at a shot vs pacquiao post FMJ, but instead he fought fucking chris algeri went life and death and then went on a hiatus for ovet a year. Khans has some good wins on his record but the way he ducked brook is just shocking it did more harm then good.
Beating brook makes you p4p now does it?
Brooks standing in the global boxing landscape, even back then, was pitiful