Andy Ruiz Jr (WBA, IBF, WBO & IBO) vs. Anthony Joshua II - December 7th 2019

Ruiz Jr vs. Joshua Winner and How?

  • Andy Ruiz Jr Stoppage

    Votes: 40 54.1%
  • Andy Ruiz Jr Decision

    Votes: 2 2.7%
  • Draw

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Anthony Joshua Decision

    Votes: 8 10.8%
  • Anthony Joshua Stoppage

    Votes: 23 31.1%

  • Total voters
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Jul 6, 2019
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Nah Campbell Loma announcer next week.
Yeah, you could be right. Forgot that hadn't been officially announced.

Remember Bob Arum claiming Matchroom hadn't announced it cause they didn't want to impact the poor ticket sales for tomorrow. Not sure if that was one of Bob's truth days or one of his lying days though.
 
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Mate there is some proper fucking bollocks in this thread.

Cardiff AJ is better than MSG Joshua? Wtf?
I hope Ruiz beats him again.

But its fact that some fighters dont travel well.

The new gym, climate, time difference.... there are loads of variables that can effect performance.
 
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If Joshua went into the fight with some problem, that's now no longer an issue, and they are confident of winning then they should fight in MSG. Make a statement, show the first fight was a fluke and that he isn't a hometown champ.

If he was just beaten by the better man on the night then they should try grab every advantage they can. Don't worry about looking like a coward, have the fight at home, try get the win and rebuild your reputation afterwards.
 
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If AJ does win, who does he fight next? Does Ruiz just get forgotten about? Even if it’s a dull or dicey decision? I get the feeling thatd be a yes.

Think regardless of where it is Joshua will be really nervous and whilst I believe it’s a harder fight for both, with those nerves and suspect gas tank I think Ruiz stops him again.

Can’t argue it’s a massive HW fight where nobody can really put huge confidence in their prediction which is brilliant for fans.
 

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If AJ does win, who does he fight next? Does Ruiz just get forgotten about? Even if it’s a dull or dicey decision? I get the feeling thatd be a yes.

Think regardless of where it is Joshua will be really nervous and whilst I believe it’s a harder fight for both, with those nerves and suspect gas tank I think Ruiz stops him again.

Can’t argue it’s a massive HW fight where nobody can really put huge confidence in their prediction which is brilliant for fans.
I would think unless AJ KO's him early Ruiz would get a chance to fight one of the top tier guys who aren't champs (Whyte, Povetkin,Parker,Pulev, maybe Usyk if he beats Takam easily). Strangely I think Ruiz has a much easier path if he loses than if AJ does, he has lots of quality options and if he wins against one of those guys could get a Wilder/Fury shot. Ruiz has the advantage that there aren't high expectations on him so if he loses he can rebound, whereas for AJ the expectations are so high that a loss in the rematch should be the end of his career but even if its not he can't lose another or he either has to retire or become David Price (i.e A Joke).
 
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Well it’s not really strange that Ruiz would have an easier path back. He’d be 1-1 with the champ and still a viable contender.

Whereas if Joshua loses, that’s 0-2 vs the pilsbury dough boy and the hype has gone along with half the casuals.
 
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Well it’s not really strange that Ruiz would have an easier path back. He’d be 1-1 with the champ and still a viable contender.

Whereas if Joshua loses, that’s 0-2 vs the pilsbury dough boy and the hype has gone along with half the casuals.
Why would anybody choose to fight Ruiz if he has no belts?

Nobody wants to fight a fat lad with no following who might chin them. It's high risk, low reward.

Hearn has loads of heavyweights on his books who he can force in to matches with Joshua to rebuild him. Title holders would also risk fighting him because Hearn is going to pay over the odds and they'll make a fortune.
 
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Why would anybody choose to fight Ruiz if he has no belts?

Nobody wants to fight a fat lad with no following who might chin them. It's high risk, low reward.

Hearn has loads of heavyweights on his books who he can force in to matches with Joshua to rebuild him. Title holders would also risk fighting him because Hearn is going to pay over the odds and they'll make a fortune.
That is why Ruiz should be insisting on a rematch clause.
 
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If AJ does win, who does he fight next? Does Ruiz just get forgotten about? Even if it’s a dull or dicey decision? I get the feeling thatd be a yes.

Think regardless of where it is Joshua will be really nervous and whilst I believe it’s a harder fight for both, with those nerves and suspect gas tank I think Ruiz stops him again.

Can’t argue it’s a massive HW fight where nobody can really put huge confidence in their prediction which is brilliant for fans.
Mandatory surely? Pulev or Usyk.
 

DB Cooper

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May 17, 2013
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Hearn saying an announcement is imminent for the millionth time.
Hearn's latest announcement is they will announce the venue to Ruiz this week but not announce it to the public.

So basically the announcement you have when you are not having an announcement.
 
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Hearn's latest announcement is they will announce the venue to Ruiz this week but not announce it to the public.

So basically the announcement you have when you are not having an announcement.
Even though Ruiz was on tv less than 48 hours ago saying he still wanted it in the States.

In addition to that, Hearn also confirmed that the venue hasn't been 100% decided upon but somehow he is letting a non-agreeable Ruiz know imminently.

He needs to learn that sometimes, saying less is the better option.
 

DB Cooper

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Even though Ruiz was on tv less than 48 hours ago saying he still wanted it in the States.

In addition to that, Hearn also confirmed that the venue hasn't been 100% decided upon but somehow he is letting a non-agreeable Ruiz know imminently.

He needs to learn that sometimes, saying less is the better option.
Hearn loves the spotlight too much to say less when you can say more.
 
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I believe this will happen, and I think it probably takes place in the UK.

Something must be going on however and I don't believe Hearn that the reason for the hold-up is two new possible venues bidding to hold the fight.

Under normal circumstances you might dick about weighing up the relative merits of Vegas, Saudi or wherever else has thrown their hat in the ring, but with the risks involved I don't think it would take long to rule them out. Joshua's team would have to be stupid to add any more unknowns to this fight.

My guess is Ruiz and Haymon are flexing their muscles to try get this in the states. Don't think they will risk legal action, but they might try make things difficult to influence the decision.

Other possibility is that DAZN are pushing for MSG and sky and McCracken are pushing for UK.
 
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I don’t think it matters where It’s held.I like Joshua but sadly for him I reckon Ruiz just has his number! It just happens in sport sometimes where no matter how much they train where it’s held what they had for breakfast the opposition just has their number!

Joshua looked shell shocked in that first fight I just can’t see him getting a win in the rematch no matter what.
 
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Why would anybody choose to fight Ruiz if he has no belts?

Nobody wants to fight a fat lad with no following who might chin them. It's high risk, low reward.

Hearn has loads of heavyweights on his books who he can force in to matches with Joshua to rebuild him. Title holders would also risk fighting him because Hearn is going to pay over the odds and they'll make a fortune.
Well for a start he’d have taken part in 2 of the biggest HW fights of the last year, so I’d imagining his stock is somewhat higher after the rematch, win or lose?

HW division is still pretty thin, it ends up becoming a round robin, so very much doubt everyone else just ghosts him and he can’t get a fight?

I do get what you’re saying but if Joshua loses, I believe he’s taking his ball and going home.

There is also an element of the unknown with regard to the casuals? If he gets smashed twice by a fat guy, are the casuals really gonna be hanging around, dying to buy tickets to watch AJ bash up Sam Sexton? Can’t see it personally mate.

Plus this is a business right? If the above does happen and AJ has a substantial loss of casual fans buying tickets, are they then going to repeatedly pay over the odds to get average guys in with him, to “re-build” him? How many O2s do you comp out before you pull the plug? Or move him up again?

Also, out of all this , the most important thing to me is the egos involved. They’ve all loved being king big dick the last couple of years, shorting opponents, with the never boring “we are the A side!” mentality.

Can you really see Joshua getting decked twice, becoming effectively an opponent and taking the short end (because unless they travel to the UK, it doesn’t really benefit someone to fight him) a year after being king big dick? And even if Joshua would, I really can’t see Hearn accepting it? And not to mention anyone in a position to bend them over will. Say Parker wins a belt 6 months after the rematch? Is him and his team gonna offer Joshua fair terms and home turf? Or are they gonna say “yeah we’ll come to the UK, but if so it’s an 80/20 split, take it or leave it”.

I’m just firmly believing that this rematch is shit or bust for Joshua.
 
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Well for a start he’d have taken part in 2 of the biggest HW fights of the last year, so I’d imagining his stock is somewhat higher after the rematch, win or lose?

HW division is still pretty thin, it ends up becoming a round robin, so very much doubt everyone else just ghosts him and he can’t get a fight?

I do get what you’re saying but if Joshua loses, I believe he’s taking his ball and going home.

There is also an element of the unknown with regard to the casuals? If he gets smashed twice by a fat guy, are the casuals really gonna be hanging around, dying to buy tickets to watch AJ bash up Sam Sexton? Can’t see it personally mate.

Plus this is a business right? If the above does happen and AJ has a substantial loss of casual fans buying tickets, are they then going to repeatedly pay over the odds to get average guys in with him, to “re-build” him? How many O2s do you comp out before you pull the plug? Or move him up again?

Also, out of all this , the most important thing to me is the egos involved. They’ve all loved being king big dick the last couple of years, shorting opponents, with the never boring “we are the A side!” mentality.

Can you really see Joshua getting decked twice, becoming effectively an opponent and taking the short end (because unless they travel to the UK, it doesn’t really benefit someone to fight him) a year after being king big dick? And even if Joshua would, I really can’t see Hearn accepting it? And not to mention anyone in a position to bend them over will. Say Parker wins a belt 6 months after the rematch? Is him and his team gonna offer Joshua fair terms and home turf? Or are they gonna say “yeah we’ll come to the UK, but if so it’s an 80/20 split, take it or leave it”.

I’m just firmly believing that this rematch is shit or bust for Joshua.
I think Ruiz has forever increased his value. Even if Joshua battered him, and he never wins a fight again, he will always be the first Mexican world heavyweight champ and the first fighter to beat Joshua.

Win, lose or draw his next few fights will gain a lot of attention. Also, a lot of fighters will fancy their chances against him. He is a good fighter, but he is not suddenly unbeatable just because he stopped Joshua.
 
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