Andy Ruiz Jr (WBA, IBF, WBO & IBO) vs. Anthony Joshua II - December 7th 2019

Ruiz Jr vs. Joshua Winner and How?

  • Andy Ruiz Jr Stoppage

    Votes: 52 57.8%
  • Andy Ruiz Jr Decision

    Votes: 2 2.2%
  • Draw

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Anthony Joshua Decision

    Votes: 10 11.1%
  • Anthony Joshua Stoppage

    Votes: 25 27.8%

  • Total voters
    90
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Aug 28, 2014
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Anyone reckon they chose Saudi knowing Ruiz wont sign and I heard Ruiz might get stripped of the IBF, Pulev is mandatory

Maybe we get AJ vs Pulev in Saudi then AJ goes straight for Wilder and claims Ruiz ducked
 
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Lol.

I am still against the fight not being in Cardiff, EH has tried to sell the Saudi thing pretty hard but eventually he basically admits they were giving Ruiz wanted he wanted (20:55 in the video). To me that is pretty bad promotion for AJ but clearly he has decided that it's better for him to keep Ruiz sweet even if he costs AJ the venue and some ££. I have however been coming round to the idea that maybe a neutral venue isn't the worst thing if AJ needs to fight boring to win as without 80k roaring him on he might find it easier to stay cool and not go in for the kill rashly.

Once again you have to remember being a Boxing promoter is like a second hand car salesman, it's all patter. I happen to enjoy EH's patter but doesn't mean I would trust him with anything serious unless our interests were aligned. In this case, he has lowered AJ's chances but at least it's UK friendly fight time so I'm not going to go ballistic.

@ORG83 Surely there's enough there for you to rant at me irrationally for a while?
You’re the only one who has been irrational in this thread son. I haven’t ranted in any way shape or form.

I do like how you’re now slowly revising your beliefs as this thread goes on. It’s now a good idea it’s not in Cardiff (you’ve got this idea off me, ironically. lol) and you don’t trust Hearn you just like his banter? Classic.

I think you have something akin to Stockholm Syndrome.
 
Sep 22, 2014
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Anyone reckon they chose Saudi knowing Ruiz wont sign and I heard Ruiz might get stripped of the IBF, Pulev is mandatory

Maybe we get AJ vs Pulev in Saudi then AJ goes straight for Wilder and claims Ruiz ducked
Not a bad shout
 

Ar558a

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You’re the only one who has been irrational in this thread son. I haven’t ranted in any way shape or form.

I do like how you’re now slowly revising your beliefs as this thread goes on. It’s now a good idea it’s not in Cardiff (you’ve got this idea off me, ironically. lol) and you don’t trust Hearn you just like his banter? Classic.

I think you have something akin to Stockholm Syndrome.
That's the way you view it, but your continual attacks on me seem pretty irrational from where I sit.

I still think would prefer Cardiff but I am allowed to see the benefits (which are probably exclusive to this particular fight) of the neutral venue. I still think it is bad for fans and is still bad negotiation to be bullied into it by Ruiz, by there may be a silver lining in that he has to fight boring (which would have disappointed his fan who are used to the KO show anyway) and that might be easier without the adrenaline of the home support.

What else am I getting from his IFL videos? I'm watching a guy answer questions! If I don't like listening to his banter with Kugan why would I bother. I wouldn't need to listen if he was boring even if he was doing a stellar job?
 

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Anyone reckon they chose Saudi knowing Ruiz wont sign and I heard Ruiz might get stripped of the IBF, Pulev is mandatory

Maybe we get AJ vs Pulev in Saudi then AJ goes straight for Wilder and claims Ruiz ducked
What are you on about? Why would they pick a location knowing Ruiz wouldn't sign!? If they do that AJ's titles are gone for good as is $50m! That would be the worst decision possible.

AJ wants to right the wrong and get revenge so even tho he has lost his 0 he can say he beat the guy afterwards.

Even if he got a Pulev fight for the IBF belt (all of which seems like a lot of speculation), Wilder wouldn't be interested unless Ruiz's beat him in their inevitable unification in your scenario. So either Wilder wouldn't risk 3 of the belts against AJ (unless AJ agreed a 90/10 split or something crazy) or Wilder wouldn't have a title and would be too much of a risk for little reward. Either way seems alot riskier than fighting Ruiz for $50m which either gives AJ the belts back or gives him a nice retirement pot.
 
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That's the way you view it, but your continual attacks on me seem pretty irrational from where I sit.

I still think would prefer Cardiff but I am allowed to see the benefits (which are probably exclusive to this particular fight) of the neutral venue. I still think it is bad for fans and is still bad negotiation to be bullied into it by Ruiz, by there may be a silver lining in that he has to fight boring (which would have disappointed his fan who are used to the KO show anyway) and that might be easier without the adrenaline of the home support.

What else am I getting from his IFL videos? I'm watching a guy answer questions! If I don't like listening to his banter with Kugan why would I bother. I wouldn't need to listen if he was boring even if he was doing a stellar job?
You honestly think I’m “attacking” you? It’s just banter mate, I’d presume you’d like it?

You being a fan of banter and all.

You also honestly think Hearn has been “bullied into it by Ruiz”? Really? No offence but you’re so naive, it’s kinda sweet really.
 

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You honestly think I’m “attacking” you? It’s just banter mate, I’d presume you’d like it?

You being a fan of banter and all.

You also honestly think Hearn has been “bullied into it by Ruiz”? Really? No offence but you’re so naive, it’s kinda sweet really.
Well there is Banter and "Banter" and I know the difference.

I presume from that you think Hearn was bluffing and wanted it in Saudi all along? Why would he admit to giving Ruiz what he wanted? That only makes sense if he genuinely believes AJ does better in Saudi than at home. Unless you think he is happy to screw AJ for the money? Surely that would be short sighted as he still has the goose that lays the golden eggs money wise and that all disappears if AJ loses again?
 
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Well there is Banter and "Banter" and I know the difference.

I presume from that you think Hearn was bluffing and wanted it in Saudi all along? Why would he admit to giving Ruiz what he wanted? That only makes sense if he genuinely believes AJ does better in Saudi than at home. Unless you think he is happy to screw AJ for the money? Surely that would be short sighted as he still has the goose that lays the golden eggs money wise and that all disappears if AJ loses again?
So what’s the difference then? Apart from the speech marks?

You really shouldn’t presume. You know what they say about presumption dont you? I’ve stated clearly what I think, so I’m not gonna keep saying it.

Saudi is a case of winning both ways for Hearn. He obviously wants Joshua to win, but holding the fight in Saudi means if Joshua does lose again, at least he’s taken a hefty wedge to soften the blow of losing his cash cow.
 
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I do like how you’re now slowly revising your beliefs as this thread goes on. It’s now a good idea it’s not in Cardiff (you’ve got this idea off me, ironically. lol)
:nono

I think we could grant you an assist for the belief revision bud but it was touched on by a few folk. :bart
 
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What are you on about? Why would they pick a location knowing Ruiz wouldn't sign!? If they do that AJ's titles are gone for good as is $50m! That would be the worst decision possible.

AJ wants to right the wrong and get revenge so even tho he has lost his 0 he can say he beat the guy afterwards.

Even if he got a Pulev fight for the IBF belt (all of which seems like a lot of speculation), Wilder wouldn't be interested unless Ruiz's beat him in their inevitable unification in your scenario. So either Wilder wouldn't risk 3 of the belts against AJ (unless AJ agreed a 90/10 split or something crazy) or Wilder wouldn't have a title and would be too much of a risk for little reward. Either way seems alot riskier than fighting Ruiz for $50m which either gives AJ the belts back or gives him a nice retirement pot.
Fighting Pulev then Wilder is more risky than rematching Ruiz? AJ would destroy Pulev be a world champ then claim Ruiz is ducking and go straight for Wilder, its still a 100m fight, Wilder would agree to a 50/50 as long as he gets a bigger split in the rematch if he won, AJ will most likely lose to Ruiz again and then he might not get a Wilder or Fury fight

Also the IBF have been stripping everyone recently they just stripped Canelo, dont be suprised if they strip Ruiz, Pulev has been mandatory since AJ was meant to fight him
 
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Well there is Banter and "Banter" and I know the difference.

I presume from that you think Hearn was bluffing and wanted it in Saudi all along? Why would he admit to giving Ruiz what he wanted? That only makes sense if he genuinely believes AJ does better in Saudi than at home. Unless you think he is happy to screw AJ for the money? Surely that would be short sighted as he still has the goose that lays the golden eggs money wise and that all disappears if AJ loses again?
You have already made it abundantly clear you plan on blaming where the fight is held on AJ losing to Ruiz again.

'Hearn's mistake of not insisting the fight was held in the UK has cost AJ his career.'

Can't wait.
 

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Fighting Pulev then Wilder is more risky than rematching Ruiz? AJ would destroy Pulev be a world champ then claim Ruiz is ducking and go straight for Wilder, its still a 100m fight, Wilder would agree to a 50/50 as long as he gets a bigger split in the rematch if he won, AJ will most likely lose to Ruiz again and then he might not get a Wilder or Fury fight

Also the IBF have been stripping everyone recently they just stripped Canelo, dont be suprised if they strip Ruiz, Pulev has been mandatory since AJ was meant to fight him
Obviously Pulev wouldn't be an issue but I don't believe Wilder fights him unless he gets a massive biased split that AJ/EH will never take. He wanted 50/50 when he had 1 belt and AJ had 3. The other way round the best I could see him offerring would be 80/20 and even that might be optimistic. Without the Wilder fight, AJ is the fringe guy and either Ruiz or Wilder is the king. It might be more risky but Ruiz win gives him the most belts (even if IBF strip) and gives him the power in the division, Fury and Wilder have to come to him. It's the slightly riskier road but definitely yields the rewards.
 
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You don't get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate. If ruiz signed off on the purse for a rematch then its completely irrelevant what he's now worth. Should have negotiated harder and smarter in the first place. Or turn the fight down.

Breaking or threatening to break contract now is poor
 
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AJ and Hearn gave Ruiz the fight there were not many other options.

They did not hand him the Victory he earned that victory with his own hands.

Both AJ and Hearn should be grateful to Ruiz if it was not for him they both would not be earning the biggest cheques of their careers. In the rematch.

Secondly the sheer hypocrisy and bullshit from Hearn and his negotiating methods leaves little room for sympathy for either.

Several years ago Eddie Hearn, made a verbal agreement with Amir Khan to fight Brook for £10 million. Then during negotiations he tried to lowball Khan and used his .P.R machine to demonise Khan in the media for asking for the amount he promised Khan in the first place.

Khan went and fought Canelo instead.

Then before Brook fought Spence similar negotiations with Khan. Brook demanded an unrealistic 50/50 split the fight did not take place.

AJ weighed in an interview with Cassius Kugan, and said it should be a 50/50 split for that fight and slated Khan for it.

That would have been the biggest purse of Brooks career and almost double what Brook earned fighting GGG. By the same token you could say Eddie Hearn should have taken that fight and expressed gratitude to Khan for giving him an opportunity to enter the big leauges when he was the new kid on the block as a promoter.. after all the first major fight Eddie was involved in was Khan vs Mccloskey.

And if I move on to Hearn and his hypocrisy concerning negotiations for Quigg vs Frampton and AJ vs Wilder.

We will be here forever.

As Nigel Benn said boxing is a dog eat dog world....Full respect to Ruiz for refusing to be the dog that AJ and Eddie Hearn can kick around at the negoiating table.

If anything Hearn and AJ should be grateful Ruiz has not demanded a 50/50 split or even a 60/40 split he is simply asking for a fair amount.
Agreed. Hearn is an utter hipocrit regarding the khan/brook and then aj/wilder negotiations
 
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:nono

I think we could grant you an assist for the belief revision bud but it was touched on by a few folk. :bart
My point was that whilst going back and forth with me, I stated that and now he’s changed his mind.

Not claiming sole credit, it was hardly thought of the century.
 
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Anyone reckon they chose Saudi knowing Ruiz wont sign and I heard Ruiz might get stripped of the IBF, Pulev is mandatory

Maybe we get AJ vs Pulev in Saudi then AJ goes straight for Wilder and claims Ruiz ducked

Well if Ruiz will only sign off on a North American venue.

If AJ refused to sign outside of the UK it would be the biggest duck in the sport and I ain’t no Hearn/AJ super fan, check my history.

If Ruiz does that it looks like he’s happy with a smash n grab.

I don’t have a problem with him trying to get a better deal, fuck it if you don’t ask you don’t get, but if he’s unsuccessful and won’t honour what he signed then as much as it pains me I would have to side with the slimey prick on this one.
 
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He probably couldn't care less about morals - remember who he is dealing with.

He is now in a relative position of strength, he would be daft not to use that.
I dont know. I know it's boxing but id prefer it if people acted with some principles, even if they're dealing with snakes.
 
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people are acting like this was matchroom/hearns decision. its going to aj promotions and Freddie cunningham who 100% make all of these decisions and then matchroom deliver the show and get a small (much smaller) %.

one of the parts of this deal is that eddie/matchroom is the public face of all of these deals and takes all the heat. everyone does realise this, yes? this is 100% on aj promotions. matchroom do what they are told every single time.

the business geniuses on this forum :lol::lol::lol:
 
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