Andy Ruiz Jr (WBA, IBF, WBO & IBO) vs. Anthony Joshua II - December 7th 2019

Ruiz Jr vs. Joshua Winner and How?

  • Andy Ruiz Jr Stoppage

    Votes: 38 58.5%
  • Andy Ruiz Jr Decision

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Anthony Joshua Decision

    Votes: 7 10.8%
  • Anthony Joshua Stoppage

    Votes: 18 27.7%

  • Total voters
    65
Aug 26, 2013
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Hearn said on IFTV that fight is not in Cardiff because of Ruiz not wanting to come to UK.
Hearn said on IFTV that money for Saudi is not much more than would have been for USA.
Hearn has not said why rematch will not take place in US? If it's not money then it must be AJ not wanting to go there. (which I understand ofcourse, it didnt exactly go well last time) .

Hearn said prior to 1st fight that AJ was coming to America to build his profile. So are they now not bothered about this anymore then?

The sceptic in me believes that its risk management. Announce the fight is in Saudi, either Ruiz pulls out and they can put all the blame on him or the fight goes ahead and either AJ wins, which means he is back on track or he loses and he has a big payout to soften the blow of early retirement.
 
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Nov 30, 2018
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Eddie Hearn is full of twists and turns - expect something else to happen. Expect a different venue EXPECT a different fighter other then Ruiz Jr for Joshua's next fight. You're good Eddie but I think I've worked you out.
 
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Jul 12, 2013
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If AJ signed a contract with rematch clauses then basically took his ball and went home everybody would lose their shit.

Ruiz is getting praised for this because Hearns a twat, poor showing not honouring the deal imo.
 
Jun 5, 2013
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If AJ signed a contract with rematch clauses then basically took his ball and went home everybody would lose their shit.

Ruiz is getting praised for this because Hearns a twat, poor showing not honouring the deal imo.

If the shoe was on the other foot, do you think Hearn and AJ would be bending over backwards to honour the original deal?? That is not how business in boxing works
 

A Force

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I’m a bit torn on this. I think he should honour the contract but shouldn’t have to fight in a scumbag country like Saudi Arabia.
 
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ant-man

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Round and about
I think rematch clauses aren't good for boxing, only boxing promoters, so I hope it all goes tits up just for shits and giggles. I agree in principle with those saying if Ruiz signed it he should honour it, but life just doesn't work like that.
 
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If the shoe was on the other foot, do you think Hearn and AJ would be bending over backwards to honour the original deal?? That is not how business in boxing works

But it isn’t, that’s just deflecting from the fact that Ruiz is attempting to back track.

Edit, wasn’t AJ all set to honour the rematch clause against Wlad until Wlad pulled out.

So when faced with a similar situation he was going to honour the deal.

People are simply siding with Ruiz because Hearn is such a slimey prick.
 
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But it isn’t, that’s just deflecting from the fact that Ruiz is attempting to back track.

Edit, wasn’t AJ all set to honour the rematch clause against Wlad until Wlad pulled out.

So when faced with a similar situation he was going to honour the deal.

People are simply siding with Ruiz because Hearn is such a slimey prick.

There is a key difference between this and Wlad/AJ

I'm sure AJ was getting a huge and very fair split for the rematch. Ruiz is getting absolutely shafted with the split, ripped off to be honest. He is now worth a hell of a lot more, he deserves to be compensated for that. I am all for someone refusing to get ripped off by bullies. I don't really care for Hearn to be honest mate some people love him religiously and some people despise him to be honest I'm not really bothered by him either way, he is just a promoter he doesnt fight, I care more about the boxers
 
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There is a key difference between this and Wlad/AJ

I'm sure AJ was getting a huge and very fair split for the rematch. Ruiz is getting absolutely shafted with the split, ripped off to be honest. He is now worth a hell of a lot more, he deserves to be compensated for that. I am all for someone refusing to get ripped off by bullies. I don't really care for Hearn to be honest mate some people love him religiously and some people despise him to be honest I'm not really bothered by him either way, he is just a promoter he doesnt fight, I care more about the boxers
I’m not really referring to the money, hope he gets his wages at least doubled, it’s the refusing to fight outside the US I don’t like.
 
Sep 22, 2014
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What goes around comes around. That’s my thinking on this. Hearn deserves it because he’s a cunt. Even after AJ got battered, he doesn’t have the humility to tone it down, repeatedly acting the big man like he’s gonna force them to do whatever he wants!

That rubs prideful people up the wrong way.

Act like a cunt and you’ll eventually get fucked like one.
 
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Aug 26, 2013
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Do you think that Ruiz's team will now announce the fight in the US... date, venue etc. just as Hearn did with Saudi announcement and claim that both parties have signed for the rematch (just as Hearn did) refering to the rematch clause signed prior to the first fight.

I would love to be able to see the exact wording of the rematch clause in the original contract.

I assume it is not as water tight as Hearn would have liked otherwise they would have just announced the fight in Cardiff as they quite clearly wanted. No one seriously wants to have to defend the actions of the Saudi regime whilst trying to sell a fight when you can make good money elsewhere. AJ has the best chance on winning on home soil so to go anywhere else must mean that the rematch clause is not set in stone.
 
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Listened to the Bunce and Costello podcast today which included an interview from Hearn from the presser.

There is absolutely zero chance that Ruiz has signed for this fight, none whatsoever. Hearn kept referring to the fact that he was contracted for the rematch and it was clear as day he wasnt taking about any second contract.

It's a shambles and maybe even a move towards trying to get Ruiz stripped.
 
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Listened to the Bunce and Costello podcast today which included an interview from Hearn from the presser.

There is absolutely zero chance that Ruiz has signed for this fight, none whatsoever. Hearn kept referring to the fact that he was contracted for the rematch and it was clear as day he wasnt taking about any second contract.

It's a shambles and maybe even a move towards trying to get Ruiz stripped.
There is a statement from Hearn in a recent Telegraph that Ruiz signed both contracts at the same time. They only have to let them know the date, time, and location.

Threatening legal action and holding up his career if he doesn't take the fight.

I reckon this is prob true, but with the location not explicitly stated in the contract, both sides are playing chicken over the venue. Will be interesting who blinks first.
 
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