Andy Ruiz Jr (WBA, IBF, WBO & IBO) vs. Anthony Joshua II - December 7th 2019

Ruiz Jr vs. Joshua Winner and How?

  • Andy Ruiz Jr Stoppage

    Votes: 39 56.5%
  • Andy Ruiz Jr Decision

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Anthony Joshua Decision

    Votes: 7 10.1%
  • Anthony Joshua Stoppage

    Votes: 21 30.4%

  • Total voters
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Politicians and big corporations have no problem doing business in these countries. Wheres the Medias morals when it comes to them.

Besides if we are gonna take a moral stance only places to fight abroad would be places like Iceland and Norway.

The United States with there treatment of native Indians, invasion of countries around the world and propping tinpot dictators from Fernidinand Marcos, to Mbotu in Zaire to the Tyrant prince of Saudi Arabia who is apparently best friends with the Trumps..U.S.

Also has the largest incarcerated population in the world propped up by a privatised Prison Industrial complex where people who are black or white and poor given unduly harsh sentences,. And very dubious trials for many...Would also be boycotted?

Maybe Boxers should boycott United States until one of our own Anthony "Two Guns" Fletcher who has unjustly been rotting away for 30 plus years..in prison is released.
 
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Benny Blanco

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The picture comparison could be deceiving, but looks like he is slimming down for the rematch. You'd expect he was bulking up a bit for the Miller fight, but when that fell through he didn't have time to really change things up with his preparation for the first Ruiz fight.
Give over mate. How can an athlete like him lose a visible amount of weight yet also increase body fat at the same time? What’s he been doing exactly?

He’s come off whatever gear he was on in the first picture. It couldn’t be clearer.
 
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No problem. I get your point and agree. Hearn is brining those events up as a defence, but those were also pretty bad from a moral standpoint. Also we should aim to be better than the mistakes of the past.

I don't agree with his non political excuse either. He allowed a lot of PR for Saudi at those conferences. He is culpable.
Exactly my point mate, we learn from the past. I can’t imagine a paedo being allowed to use the “Glitter and Saville got away with it!” defence, so why should we accept it for this?
 
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Give over mate. How can an athlete like him lose a visible amount of weight yet also increase body fat at the same time? What’s he been doing exactly?

He’s come off whatever gear he was on in the first picture. It couldn’t be clearer.
I cant see Kos saying he done it cleanly?

Just that he put bulk on for the last fight and has taken some off for this fight, which seems pretty irrefutable to me.
 
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I'm amazed at how much Joshua is being written off here. He won rounds 1 and 2, was winning the third and then got scrambled by a temple shot and never recovered.

Ruiz winning again would not be a surprise, as AJ gasses, and Ruiz was having success with counters, but people act as if it was one sided from the off. Fuck all happened in 4 and 5 really, and it's impossible to say for sure how AJ would have taken the shot if it weren't on the temple.

Whyte was taking everything AJ had until he got clipped on the temple. Haye was all over the shop from one punch off Lolenga Mock, because it was on the temple.

Those shots fuck people up, scramble your equilibrium and Ruiz might land multiple counters in the rematch without ever landing in that spot. Maybe he won't need to, but I'd guess that Joshua would do a lot better if the shot had landed anywhere else.

I'm not confident in any outcome, but I will say Joshua UD.
 
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I'm amazed at how much Joshua is being written off here.
Is a 59:41 split towards Ruiz him being written off?

I'd suggest in rematches, more than 59% are 'repeat', so I'm not convinced he's being written off.

I speak as part of the 41%, by the way. I see the first fight very similarly to you by the way, it changed on a single shot. Albeit a shot that Ruiz had been getting closer with throughout.
 
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Is a 59:41 split towards Ruiz him being written off?

I'd suggest in rematches, more than 59% are 'repeat', so I'm not convinced he's being written off.

I speak as part of the 41%, by the way. I see the first fight very similarly to you by the way, it changed on a single shot. Albeit a shot that Ruiz had been getting closer with throughout.
I guess not vote wise, just the comments.
 
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I'm amazed at how much Joshua is being written off here. He won rounds 1 and 2, was winning the third and then got scrambled by a temple shot and never recovered.

Ruiz winning again would not be a surprise, as AJ gasses, and Ruiz was having success with counters, but people act as if it was one sided from the off. Fuck all happened in 4 and 5 really, and it's impossible to say for sure how AJ would have taken the shot if it weren't on the temple.

Whyte was taking everything AJ had until he got clipped on the temple. Haye was all over the shop from one punch off Lolenga Mock, because it was on the temple.

Those shots fuck people up, scramble your equilibrium and Ruiz might land multiple counters in the rematch without ever landing in that spot. Maybe he won't need to, but I'd guess that Joshua would do a lot better if the shot had landed anywhere else.

I'm not confident in any outcome, but I will say Joshua UD.

Did Joshua win round 1? Looked pretty even to me, and he won round 2 maybe by a sliver, but he was being backed up throughout the whole time, and that is something he has never faced before as a pro.

I don't disagree Joshua can win this, but I see real problems with Ruiz's style. Constant pressure putting Joshua on the back foot, which he is uncomfortable with, and in Ruiz you have a game opponent who will counter and fire back with you every time you punch. Joshua throughout his career is used to opponents backing off and shelling up and going on the defensive when he punches because of his hand speed and power. Ruiz will pose big problems to even the very best version of Joshua, and even if Joshua wins it will be close and very hard fought I would imagine.
 
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Did Joshua win round 1? Looked pretty even to me, and he won round 2 maybe by a sliver, but he was being backed up throughout the whole time, and that is something he has never faced before as a pro.
Round 1 could well have been a 10-10. Round 2 was clear as day for Joshua. One of rounds 4 and 5 was bordering on being a 10-10 too.
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I don't disagree Joshua can win this, but I see real problems with Ruiz's style. Constant pressure putting Joshua on the back foot, which he is uncomfortable with, and in Ruiz you have a game opponent who will counter and fire back with you every time you punch. Joshua throughout his career is used to opponents backing off and shelling up and going on the defensive when he punches because of his hand speed and power. Ruiz will pose big problems to even the very best version of Joshua, and even if Joshua wins it will be close and very hard fought I would imagine.
Yeah that's fair enough, but we've seen Joshua backed up and hurt against Wlad and he was backed up at times by Povetkin.

I don't think Ruiz will ever be easy for him, I just think people talking as if it's a foregone conclusion that he gets KO'd again are being simplistic in their appraisal of the fight.
 
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Joshua wins the rematch .....Ruiz is not dedicated he has reached the pinnacle of his ambition. He will lose and retire fat and happy.

About three decades ago the talk by some pundits was of how Buster Douglas who had just tamed "King Kong" beating Holyfield because he apparently had a lot of superior technical skills. The argument was superior technique will trump superior conditioning.

Buster Douglas lost whatever desire and ambition he had after beating Tyson..came in fat out of shape he spent his training camp celebrating his win over Tyson, and eating loads of comfort food and enjoying his 15 minutes of fame.

I get these same vibes from Andy Ruiz...the kid is not professional.
He knows that whatever happens he will forever be the first Mexican Heavyweight champ...he will get plenty of free buffets for as long as he lives.

I think he most likely surprised himself with his win.
 
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Joshua didn’t comprehensively win either of rd 1 or 2. They were close rounds that could go either way.

As much as people are writing him off, other people are equally guilty of revisionist history where he was bossing it and got luckily clipped with a haymaker!
 
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Round 1 could well have been a 10-10. Round 2 was clear as day for Joshua. One of rounds 4 and 5 was bordering on being a 10-10 too.

Yeah that's fair enough, but we've seen Joshua backed up and hurt against Wlad and he was backed up at times by Povetkin.

I don't think Ruiz will ever be easy for him, I just think people talking as if it's a foregone conclusion that he gets KO'd again are being simplistic in their appraisal of the fight.
There's a couple of huge unknowns coming in to this fight.

How fat will Ruiz be?

How skinny will Joshua be?

They look about 7 stone apart at the moment.

Joshua losing so much bulk may aid his movement, speed and fluidity, but what will it do to his durability??

Ruiz hasn't trained at all since the last fight, but he's definitely been eating. Has his desire gone?
 
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There's a couple of huge unknowns coming in to this fight.

How fat will Ruiz be?

How skinny will Joshua be?

They look about 7 stone apart at the moment.

Joshua losing so much bulk may aid his movement, speed and fluidity, but what will it do to his durability??

Ruiz hasn't trained at all since the last fight, but he's definitely been eating. Has his desire gone?
The issue with Joshua slimming down is he might be a bit quicker and more nimble, but he’s boxed almost exclusively one way to this point, so I don’t see 1 training camp suddenly turning him into a fleet footed slickster? I do worry for him that they’ll try to change too much and he’ll end up betwixt and between.

I think the real thing he struggles with is he has no gas tank and is really weak to the body. It’s one thing to claim he was concussed and the temple shot, etc. I think the real issue was he was being hurt to the body quite a bit.

That jab to the sternum was beautiful, as was Ruiz’s variety, going up and down constantly.

Final concern would be his heart? Controversial I know, as he survived the Wlad fight, but Wlady handed him the chance to survive, by refusing to go for it on a clearly hurt and gassed Joshua. After the 3rd KD, he looked out the ring and shock his head, like he didn’t fancy it anymore. Then the 4th KD was almost him going down of his own accord.

It’ll be really interesting to see how he reacts if things don’t start going his way early.
 

ant-man

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Another article, (Guardian this time, do it does have an obvious left leaning agenda), going on about the human rights issues in Saudi:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/sep/11/anthony-joshua-saudi-arabia-human-rights-amnesty-international-andy-ruiz

The gist of the article is that the human rights situation in Saudi is getting worse. Not improving as Hearn keeps saying.
I'm not feeling this fight all that much personally but if you're a male going over there to watch this you'll find nothing but first class hospitality.

I can't understand why anyone would care two shiny shites what Amnesty says or what the situation with their women is. I mean seriously who gives a fuck? I reckon it'll be a great trip for those that go.

Anyone here going by the way? I reckon old Chinny will be there, shame he doesn't post here any more the deserter, I miss his fight write-ups and upskirt shots of all the filth ringside. :yep
 
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I'm not feeling this fight all that much personally but if you're a male going over there to watch this you'll find nothing but first class hospitality.

I can't understand why anyone would care two shiny shites what Amnesty says or what the situation with their women is. I mean seriously who gives a fuck? I reckon it'll be a great trip for those that go.

Anyone here going by the way? I reckon old Chinny will be there, shame he doesn't post here any more the deserter, I miss his fight write-ups and upskirt shots of all the filth ringside. :yep
I will definitely go if I can get tickets but that’s going to be tough.
 
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I'm not feeling this fight all that much personally but if you're a male going over there to watch this you'll find nothing but first class hospitality.

I can't understand why anyone would care two shiny shites what Amnesty says or what the situation with their women is. I mean seriously who gives a fuck? I reckon it'll be a great trip for those that go.

Anyone here going by the way? I reckon old Chinny will be there, shame he doesn't post here any more the deserter, I miss his fight write-ups and upskirt shots of all the filth ringside. :yep
I don't approve of how things are over there. Don't know if it's up to Hearn and AJ to sort it out though.

Can't be arsed with all the spin they are putting on it however. Would prefer if they were honest about it like the Sauerlands and just said this is the location that gives the best return in terms of finance and trying to get an advantage over Ruiz.

Expecting honesty from a promoter is a mugs game, but I can't be bothered with the obvious lies.
 

DB Cooper

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Easy to humiliate someone with concussion. He did a good job to stay in 4 rounds under those conditions.
If that's what you believe you should be the questioning why McCracken allowed Joshua to continue when he admits to thinking Joshua was suffering from concussion at the time?