Andy Ruiz Jr (WBA, IBF, WBO & IBO) vs. Anthony Joshua II

Ruiz Jr vs. Joshua Winner and How?

  • Andy Ruiz Jr Stoppage

    Votes: 31 60.8%
  • Andy Ruiz Jr Decision

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Anthony Joshua Decision

    Votes: 5 9.8%
  • Anthony Joshua Stoppage

    Votes: 14 27.5%

  • Total voters
    51
Jun 4, 2013
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Yeah a big problem for Josh is his build, he is too top heavy. His legs are built for explosive movements, not long distance stamina. He fights in explosive spurts, kind of like George groves, so if you can back him up and make him burn a lot of energy moving on the back foot, he will always be fucked and run out of gas, and be there for the taking later on. His best shot may be to go for the kill and take it to Ruiz again
think he gets caught again if he goes for the early finish
 

ant-man

Opticians rob you blind.
Jun 11, 2014
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Round and about
One thing I'll say for AJ his fights are never dull. TBH although I don't mind Hearn I'm sick of him and his old man buggering up sports (for me) by gentrifying them and dragging in all the casuals so I hope Ruiz, a genuinely humble kid and not a manufactured 'boy band' type like AJ (although himself not a bad chap) wins again. I have no patriotism anymore so couldn't care less about that side of it.

It's a fascinating rematch. They more often than not go the same way as the first and I think this one does too.
 
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Nov 23, 2014
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That's exactly the sort of dogmatic statement I was referring to. You don't have any more clue than the rest of us about what may have affected him. You never had a shit day for no discernible reason? Styles do to some extent make fights but so do game plans. Considering Ruiz was a late replacement it's likely that there's plenty AJ can change in both preparation and approach to the fight to improve his chances. So we'll see
If you’re good enough, you will win.

Femi hasnt looked impressive in years now, and a young hungry lion dethroned him. This has been coming for some time. Admittedly, i didnt initially think it would be ruiz.

Aj is a great athlete and has done well by just using the fundamentals. Jab, one-two, left hook, wrap ur gloves around your head. However, thats not enough at the top level and will only take you so far.
 
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Jun 20, 2012
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If you’re good enough, you will win.

Femi hasnt looked impressive in years now, and a young hungry lion dethroned him. This has been coming for some time. Admittedly, i didnt initially think it would be ruiz.

Aj is a great athlete and has done well by just using the fundamentals. Jab, one-two, left hook, wrap ur gloves around your head. However, thats not enough at the top level and will only take you so far.
Yeah you could be right, the rematch will tell us more.
 
Jun 4, 2013
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But he has a fair chance of getting the KO. Do you think hes gonna win boxing off the back foot for 12 rounds, being backed up and having to use all that movement with his 18 stone frame?
I don't think he should do either, just take centre of the ring follow up the 1,2 straights with a jab to keep ruiz pushed back, his mistake was going for the finish too soon, ruiz was too experienced for that Joshua should of waited another couple of rounds. He's 6'6 why is he hooking inside against a small heavy like ruiz?
 
Sep 5, 2018
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One thing I'll say for AJ his fights are never dull. TBH although I don't mind Hearn I'm sick of him and his old man buggering up sports (for me) by gentrifying them and dragging in all the casuals so I hope Ruiz, a genuinely humble kid and not a manufactured 'boy band' type like AJ (although himself not a bad chap) wins again. I have no patriotism anymore so couldn't care less about that side of it.

It's a fascinating rematch. They more often than not go the same way as the first and I think this one does too.
The casuals are where the money is. Nobody knows that better than the Hearns.
 

Ar558a

Fighting the Fury loving Scum
Jun 2, 2019
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He went 12 rounds against Parker and won and Parker beat Ruiz so it's doable if he trains right and sticks to a good gameplan.
 
Sep 22, 2014
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Bought the Belts? AJ won those! Yeh he offered Martin a big slice of the pie to get him in the ring but then he annihilated him!
Are you sure? I saw someone way to chipper walking to the ring, £8m richer and going down off the first solid shot that got close to him, popping back up perfectly happy with the nights work.
 

Ar558a

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Jun 2, 2019
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Are you sure? I saw someone way to chipper walking to the ring, £8m richer and going down off the first solid shot that got close to him, popping back up perfectly happy with the nights work.
I'm not claiming beating Martin was a epic victory (although I did enjoy it), I'm saying if you see someone you can beat with a World title, offer him the big bucks and take it from him? Only an idiot gives up that opportunity!
 
May 24, 2013
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I believe it’s way too soon to call an end on AJ’s career even if he loses to Ruiz again. A massive superstar like him not only has worthwhile talent, but also the commercial metal to last another 5 years at the very least. No doubt in my mind that Hearn would navigate him to another world title given the fragility of the top heavyweights.

As for how he should approach Ruiz (and future opponents), he should stick to his strengths. A very basic, robotic style of jabbing and one-twos would be the most sensible thing. With his power, he’ll continue setting up knockouts if he boxes at very measured pace, walking opponents down.

He unfortunately doesn’t have the build or stamina to box on the back foot. Excessive movement will burn him out by rounds 7 or 8 and he’ll be there for the taking.

So yeah, plodding forward behind a jab and the occasional right hand will be good for him. And depending on the styles and strengths of his opponent, he can revert to his old [or existing] preferences of mixing up hooks and uppercuts (that maximise his punching power) if there’s little risk of opponent hurting him.
 
Jan 20, 2014
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I believe it’s way too soon to call an end on AJ’s career even if he loses to Ruiz again. A massive superstar like him not only has worthwhile talent, but also the commercial metal to last another 5 years at the very least. No doubt in my mind that Hearn would navigate him to another world title given the fragility of the top heavyweights.

As for how he should approach Ruiz (and future opponents), he should stick to his strengths. A very basic, robotic style of jabbing and one-twos would be the most sensible thing. With his power, he’ll continue setting up knockouts if he boxes at very measured pace, walking opponents down.

He unfortunately doesn’t have the build or stamina to box on the back foot. Excessive movement will burn him out by rounds 7 or 8 and he’ll be there for the taking.

So yeah, plodding forward behind a jab and the occasional right hand will be good for him. And depending on the styles and strengths of his opponent, he can revert to his old [or existing] preferences of mixing up hooks and uppercuts (that maximise his punching power) if there’s little risk of opponent hurting him.
If he loses to Ruiz again it’s over for him, confidence wise he will be shot to shit. He might never be the same again after the first loss to Ruiz never mind the second one. This could be David Price 2.0
 

Ar558a

Fighting the Fury loving Scum
Jun 2, 2019
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I believe it’s way too soon to call an end on AJ’s career even if he loses to Ruiz again. A massive superstar like him not only has worthwhile talent, but also the commercial metal to last another 5 years at the very least. No doubt in my mind that Hearn would navigate him to another world title given the fragility of the top heavyweights.

As for how he should approach Ruiz (and future opponents), he should stick to his strengths. A very basic, robotic style of jabbing and one-twos would be the most sensible thing. With his power, he’ll continue setting up knockouts if he boxes at very measured pace, walking opponents down.

He unfortunately doesn’t have the build or stamina to box on the back foot. Excessive movement will burn him out by rounds 7 or 8 and he’ll be there for the taking.

So yeah, plodding forward behind a jab and the occasional right hand will be good for him. And depending on the styles and strengths of his opponent, he can revert to his old [or existing] preferences of mixing up hooks and uppercuts (that maximise his punching power) if there’s little risk of opponent hurting him.
Hmm I'm not so sure, his whole Image is based on winning so losing twice to a guy who is consider by almost everyone outside the hardcore boxing community as a short fat, unfit guy (a guy who looks like the guys AJ KO'd in 90s in his early fights) will do untold damage to his reputation, his earning power and his confidence. He will always be damaged goods from then on and wont be able to sell PPV's anymore against the 2nd level fighters he will get to fight (Why would Wilder/Fury/Whyte etc fight someone with no belts, a ruined rep but the potential to make them look stupid and he wouldn't add much to the Gate at that point). I think there is at least 50% chance he retires and goes into business/media. He has a good personality and has done well in the media so could easily move over into one of those fields. Alternatively he retires to relax on his £100m.


If he loses to Ruiz again it’s over for him, confidence wise he will be shot to shit. He might never be the same again after the first loss to Ruiz never mind the second one. This could be David Price 2.0
As much as you hate AJ he won't be Price 2.0, he loses he will walk away and with more than 100x you and your sad Fury worshipping ass will ever earn.
 
Jan 20, 2014
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Hmm I'm not so sure, his whole Image is based on winning so losing twice to a guy who is consider by almost everyone outside the hardcore boxing community as a short fat, unfit guy (a guy who looks like the guys AJ KO'd in 90s in his early fights) will do untold damage to his reputation, his earning power and his confidence. He will always be damaged goods from then on and wont be able to sell PPV's anymore against the 2nd level fighters he will get to fight (Why would Wilder/Fury/Whyte etc fight someone with no belts, a ruined rep but the potential to make them look stupid and he wouldn't add much to the Gate at that point). I think there is at least 50% chance he retires and goes into business/media. He has a good personality and has done well in the media so could easily move over into one of those fields. Alternatively he retires to relax on his £100m.




As much as you hate AJ he won't be Price 2.0, he loses he will walk away and with more than 100x you and your sad Fury worshipping ass will ever earn.
He will be also known as a hype job quitter for the rest of his life and in boxing circles, good luck to him with his millions though fair play to him.
 

Ar558a

Fighting the Fury loving Scum
Jun 2, 2019
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He will be also known as a hype job quitter for the rest of his life and in boxing circles, good luck to him with his millions though fair play to him.
I still believe he will win the rematch. This is just what happens if he doesn't. Quite frankly I doubt he or any of his fans care what you and your sad Fury lovers think.
 
May 24, 2013
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If he loses to Ruiz again it’s over for him, confidence wise he will be shot to shit. He might never be the same again after the first loss to Ruiz never mind the second one. This could be David Price 2.0
He won’t be the same again. But won’t be damaged beyond repair. I personally think he will win the rematch. But even if he doesn’t, he seems like the person who’ll attempt be philosophical about it and turned the positives into negatives. Sometimes a bit of delusion is required in this sport. And he has enough to assist Eddie in manufacturing his comeback - however short or less dominant that comeback may be.



Lesser fighters than him have done this in more competitive divisions.
 
May 24, 2013
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Hmm I'm not so sure, his whole Image is based on winning so losing twice to a guy who is consider by almost everyone outside the hardcore boxing community as a short fat, unfit guy (a guy who looks like the guys AJ KO'd in 90s in his early fights) will do untold damage to his reputation, his earning power and his confidence. He will always be damaged goods from then on and wont be able to sell PPV's anymore against the 2nd level fighters he will get to fight (Why would Wilder/Fury/Whyte etc fight someone with no belts, a ruined rep but the potential to make them look stupid and he wouldn't add much to the Gate at that point). I think there is at least 50% chance he retires and goes into business/media. He has a good personality and has done well in the media so could easily move over into one of those fields. Alternatively he retires to relax on his £100m.


As mentioned just a moment ago, he won’t be damaged beyond repair. Lesser fighters than him have suffered such losses and they either managed to continue their careers coming across repeated opportunities (Audley Harrison), or some went on to become world champions again.



With so much invested in AJ and the team built around him, the product will not be abandoned that quickly and easily. There are so many money making opportunities ahead and all will be explored.
 
Jun 4, 2013
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I'd speculate his career is over if he doesn't beat Ruiz Jr., but let's not forget that Barrera lost twice to Poison Jones and is still a legend. Joshua is clearly a very, very good fighter. Ruiz Jr. might just have his number is all. There aren't a lot of HW's that would take the shots Ruiz Jr. did. Ruiz Jr. has a fucking Wach-level chin. He took some ridiculous shots that would've floored (no MW) several fighters, if not outright stopped them.
 
Oct 29, 2018
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Anyone who thinks elite professional sportspeople spend their time thinking about or are motivated by money once their event starts has their head stuck where the sun don't shine. They are there for the contest and more particularly to win the contest. It is first and foremost about the glory that comes with winning.
 
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