Andy Ruiz Jr (WBA, IBF, WBO & IBO) vs. Anthony Joshua II

Ruiz Jr vs. Joshua Winner and How?

  • Andy Ruiz Jr Stoppage

    Votes: 31 60.8%
  • Andy Ruiz Jr Decision

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Anthony Joshua Decision

    Votes: 5 9.8%
  • Anthony Joshua Stoppage

    Votes: 14 27.5%

  • Total voters
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Oct 29, 2018
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I don't have much faith in the division that Ruiz Jr. will lose, and if he does, it'll likely be to Pulev since he's going to be stripped of the IBF. I'm sure PBC wouldn't want any belt landing in the hands of their rival, Top Rank. Top Rank will keep that belt under lock-and-key if they acquire it.

Thing is I favor Joshua over the jab-machine Pulev. Pulev is old, and Joshua already fought a great jabber in Klitschko.

I mean Wilder and Fury will likely be fighting all next year too if Fury wins. Plus, Kownacki and Whyte are mandatory, IIRC. I think the WBC will be tied up for a long time; although, they do often shit the bed when it comes to mandatories. I forgot how many damn eliminators they forced Povetkin to go through.
Interesting times ahead.
 
Jan 27, 2014
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Joshua will be taking peds under the guidance of a doctor, this isn’t some bodybuilder in a local gym sticking needles in his arse. All his cycles will be carefully guided with the correct post cycle therapy put in place to combat the bullshit that comes with cycling off. There was nothing wrong with him in the fight or leading up to it. These theories are all bullshit and getting out of hand.
I'm not saying it's true about Joshua having a panic attack.. All I'm saying is it can happen.

I aren't even a Joshua fan.
 
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Nov 10, 2014
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Ruiz thoughts on rematch :

https://www.boxingscene.com/andy-ruiz-team-joshua-im-champ-i-call-shots-now--139729

"I have the upper advantage right now. I know that's what (Hearn) says (about UK rematch). As long as I talk to Al Haymon and my team, we're going to figure it out where. It really doesn't matter where, as long as we get back in the ring if we show the fans what they want to see. I'd love to have it [in New York] or in LA. I have to look at the contract. I'm the champion. I call the shots now. So we're going to see what happens."
 
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You don't know anything about PEDs

There's a difference between gym rat roids and proper PEDs.
He will be tapering off anabolics at least 10 days before the event anyway, regardless of drug testing protocol. They all do this, EVERYBODY. His PED doctors at Team GB will surely prescribe this.
I know more than you think and it wouldn't surprise me if Joshua was using gear from underground labs... I mean no NHS doctor worth their salt would prescribe you PEDs...
 
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AJ was fine I just think it was a bad style match up for him, small guy with quick hands and decent counter punching. He beat AJ to the punch every time because of his hand speed. People would probably say Pulev is a better fighter than Ruiz but I bet AJ would have been able to get rid of Pulev pretty handily because of his size and upright and methodical style. Ruiz is just all wrong for him.
That's exactly the sort of dogmatic statement I was referring to. You don't have any more clue than the rest of us about what may have affected him. You never had a shit day for no discernible reason? Styles do to some extent make fights but so do game plans. Considering Ruiz was a late replacement it's likely that there's plenty AJ can change in both preparation and approach to the fight to improve his chances. So we'll see
 
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Tyson Fury shares the view about styles :

‘I think even in the rematch he’ll lose again. Styles make fights and I think Andy Ruiz is all wrong for him,’ Fury told ESPN.
Joshua has to learn how to beat the smaller fighters more definitively. Takam, Parker and now Ruiz.
 
Jan 20, 2014
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ruiz saying he only wants the rematch in the US.
Ruiz is the unified heavyweight champion why should he travel to the other side of the world to defend his titles against someone he just beat. Fight should be in California the staples or Vegas maybe. Joshua has had it his way his whole career if wants his titles back he should earn them.
 
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Jun 5, 2013
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already in the contract for the first fight, as i understand it these things are watertight.

How do you know? Even Barry Hearn said the rematch may be in America. If the contract said they have to rematch over here, Barry or Eddie would have confirmed it, rather than say we hope the rematch will be over here.
 
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Hypothetically, if Ruiz was to turn around and point blank refuse the rematch for whatever reason (doesn't want to fight in UK etc), what exactly could Matchroom do about it? I assume that if Ruiz breaks the contract then there could be huge financial implications for Ruiz, and I assume Matchroom have him by the balls with regards to that, but what happens with regards to the belts? Would / could the sanctioning bodies get involved? Would the bodies have the power to strip Ruiz? I'm guessing not as this was a voluntary defence and anything in the contract would have been between Matchroom and Ruiz wouldn't it? What are the chances that Haymon and co. offer Ruiz silly money to swerve AJ and keep any title defence in-house?
 
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DB Cooper

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already in the contract for the first fight, as i understand it these things are watertight.
Depends on what things were stipulated in the contract. But I would be surprised if Hearn hasn't screwed Ruiz as hard as he possibly could just in case the unthinkable happened, and of course it did.
 
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Hypothetically, if Ruiz was to turn around and point blank refuse the rematch for whatever reason (doesn't want to fight in UK etc), what exactly could Matchroom do about it? I assume that if Ruiz breaks the contract then there could be huge financial implications for Ruiz, and I assume Matchroom have him by the balls with regards to that, but what happens with regards to the belts? Would / could the sanctioning bodies get involved? Would the bodies have the power to strip Ruiz? I'm guessing not as this was a voluntary defence and anything in the contract would have been between Matchroom and Ruiz wouldn't it? What are the chances that Haymon and co. offer Ruiz silly money to swerve AJ and keep any title defence in-house?

No implications on the belts, as the rematch is not ordered by a sanctioning body. But Matchroom would lose out on massive revenue generated by the rematch, and so they can sue Ruiz for their losses, which you imagine would be 8 figures at least. Although I dont know how American law works, and that contract would be enforced in America, so therefore under American law
 
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The rematch clause has been triggered. Venue might be the UK?

“After meetings with AJ, Rob Mc and the management team in NY, we have today triggered the contracted rematch clause with Andy Ruiz Jnr. The fight will take place in Nov/Dec at a venue to be confirmed shortly.”

“We have to look at everything. The people at DAZN and Madison Square Garden would like to do Part 2 in the U.S. Joshua came to Andy Ruiz’s country for the first fight, so it kind of makes sense to the second fight in the U.K,” said Hearn

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2019/06/hearn-says-joshua-will-pick-location-for-ruiz-jr-rematch/
I’d have expected the venue and all terms to be in the original contract but I don’t think that’s the case

He apparently wants £40 mil to do it in uk
 
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Sep 22, 2014
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I’d have expected the venue and all terms to be in the original contract but I don’t think that’s the case

He apparently wants £40 mil to do it in uk
As others have said, surely we’d know by now if the details of the rematch clause included it being in the UK.

Will be fun watching Hearn try to play like he’s holding the cards when he doesn’t. They bought the belts for £8m once and they were handed over without an issue, but this time they’ll cost more and won’t just be handed over.
 
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ant-man

Opticians rob you blind.
Jun 11, 2014
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Wouldn't it be great if Ruiz just chucked all the poxy belts into the pacific and said right fuck the politics who wants it, mano a mano, make me an offer. :lol:
 
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Wouldn't it be great if Ruiz just chucked all the poxy belts into the pacific and said right fuck the politics who wants it, mano a mano, make me an offer. :lol:
Will probably see a change of heart from Hearn. Before this fight he actually said he overpaid Klitschko, and that it should have been 75/25 to AJ because he had the belts. He also said that AJ would never quit in a fight.

My bet is the belts suddenly don't mean as much
 

Ar558a

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As others have said, surely we’d know by now if the details of the rematch clause included it being in the UK.

Will be fun watching Hearn try to play like he’s holding the cards when he doesn’t. They bought the belts for £8m once and they were handed over without an issue, but this time they’ll cost more and won’t just be handed over.
Bought the Belts? AJ won those! Yeh he offered Martin a big slice of the pie to get him in the ring but then he annihilated him!
 
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I'd take Ruiz to win the rematch, if we see an improved Joshua I'd counter that Ruiz could up the ante and be more aggressive if required. Ruiz TKO. IF it happens.