ANTIFA

[Broxi]

From the mouth of a man who grew up under Communism...


Not from some over-privileged "chud" from America with delusions.

 

[Dazl1212]

Literally like a paragraph Chud.

OK, I'll bite. You work for the people (state in reality) instead of a company. All property is owned by the people (state) everyone earns based on their ability and the wages are paid by the state rather than corporations and businesses (not all that different than capitalism in all honesty). There is supposedly and absences of social class which in reality just replaced the elites with the intelligentsia.

This was a very quick rundown as a, im not sure it proves anything in the context of the question I asked and b, you'll just say its wrong anyway because it isn't your version of communism.

 

[Bachafach]

I don't need to quiz anyone. If u are coming from a far right perspective,be honest about it. Don't hide behind being a centrist to point score..... Not u in particular

OK, I'll bite. You work for the people (state in reality) instead of a company. All property is owned by the people (state) everyone earns based on their ability and the wages are paid by the state rather than corporations and businesses (not all that different than capitalism in all honesty). There is supposedly and absences of social class which in reality just replaced the elites with the intelligentsia.

This was a very quick rundown as a, im not sure it proves anything in the context of the question I asked and b, you'll just say its wrong anyway because it isn't your version of communism.

breh

 

[Dazl1212]

breh

What?

 

[Bachafach]

From the mouth of a man who grew up under Communism...


Not from some over-privileged "chud" from America with delusions.

A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process.

http://pewresearch.org/databank/dailynu ... mberID=996

The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied.

http://www.balkanalysis.com/romania/201 ... communism/

Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 34122.html

Roughly 28 percent of Czechs say they were better off under the Communist regime, according to a poll conducted by the polling institute SC&C and released Sunday.
Only 23 percent said they had a better life now.
More goods in shops, open borders and better cultural offer are considered the biggest successes of the system that was installed after 1989.
On the other hand, the voucher privatisation, the worsening of human relations and work of the civil service are its biggest flaws, most Czechs said.

http://praguemonitor.com/2011/11/21/pol ... -communism

A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -"during the time of socialism".
The survey focused on the respondents' views on the transition "from socialism to capitalism", and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito.
The standard of living during Tito's rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as "more or less the same".
45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent chosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/for-simon-poll-serbians-unsure-who-runs-their-country

Reflecting back on the breakup of the Soviet Union that happened 22 years ago next week, residents in seven out of 11 countries that were part of the union are more likely to believe its collapse harmed their countries than benefited them. Only Azerbaijanis, Kazakhstanis, and Turkmens are more likely to see benefit than harm from the breakup. Georgians are divided.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx
What does this mean for the future of Europe? It seems that these sentiments are only growing. For example, if in 2011 41% of Romanians said they would vote for Ceausescu, in 2014 the number reached 66%.

 

[Dazl1212]

I imagine that the Berlin wall was put up to stop the West Germans from moving to East Germany then?

 

[Broxi]

I imagine that the Berlin wall was put up to stop the West Germans from moving to East Germany then?

Ahh Eastern Europe, well known for it's great economies, fantastic quality of life and enviable living conditions brought on as a result of their Communist planned economies. It remains a mystery why so many of them flocked to Western Europe as soon as they had inclusion in the EU.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-demographics-poland/poland-counts-the-cost-of-losing-millions-of-its-workers-idUKKCN0JJ0KT20141205

Or why now thousands of them are returning to their failing economies in Poland under Capitalist free markets.

https://www.ft.com/content/2329a046-ba6f-11e7-8c12-5661783e5589

But not to worry, MW has tons of copy pasta links about how great they all had it under Communist rule in their grey Urban Hellscapes of the 1970-80s. So it must be true.

 

[bazzel]

I'm interested in what you personally define as far right.

Why?
If u have beliefs u think are far right that's fine. Say them

 

[Dazl1212]

Why?
If u have beliefs u think are far right that's fine. Say them

Only one's I can think of is that there should be more controls on immigration, that there are two genders and that Islamic extremism is more of a threat in western Europe than white nationalism.

Not sure if they are far right beliefs, I guess that depends on you, what do you think?

Edit: Oh I have another two, people of all races can be racist and the gender pay gap is not a gender pay gap in 99% of cases.

 

[Dazl1212]

Ahh Eastern Europe, well known for it's great economies, fantastic quality of life and enviable living conditions brought on as a result of their Communist planned economies. It remains a mystery why so many of them flocked to Western Europe as soon as they had inclusion in the EU.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-demographics-poland/poland-counts-the-cost-of-losing-millions-of-its-workers-idUKKCN0JJ0KT20141205

Or why now thousands of them are returning to their failing economies in Poland under Capitalist free markets.

https://www.ft.com/content/2329a046-ba6f-11e7-8c12-5661783e5589

But not to worry, MW has tons of copy pasta links about how great they all had it under Communist rule in their grey Urban Hellscapes of the 1970-80s. So it must be true.

Sounds awesome I cant believe it hasn't got more support from the masses!!

I'm not so sure its MW he hasn't said anything racist yet.

 

[Broxi]

Only one's I can think of is that there should be more controls on immigration, that there are two genders and that Islamic extremism is more of a threat in western Europe than white nationalism.

Not sure if they are far right beliefs, I guess that depends on you, what do you think?

Edit: Oh I have another two, people of all races can be racist and the gender pay gap is not a gender pay gap in 99% of cases.

None of that is far right and to accept any of it as far right is to cede ground to these maniacs.

 

[bazzel]

None of that is far right and to accept any of it as far right is to cede ground to these maniacs.

Cede ground to what maniacs?

 

[bazzel]

Only one's I can think of is that there should be more controls on immigration, that there are two genders and that Islamic extremism is more of a threat in western Europe than white nationalism.

Not sure if they are far right beliefs, I guess that depends on you, what do you think?

Edit: Oh I have another two, people of all races can be racist and the gender pay gap is not a gender pay gap in 99% of cases.

I'm in favour of more controlled immigration, I think the EU freedom of movement is a bosses club to keep pay and conditions down for working people.
What's your take on immigration? Would u describe yourself as working class?

 

[Dazl1212]

I'm in favour of more controlled immigration, I think the EU freedom of movement is a bosses club to keep pay and conditions down for working people.
What's your take on immigration? Would u describe yourself as working class?

I think immigration in a controlled manner with adequate screening etc is a positive thing.

Agreed wholeheartedly on freedom of movement.

Yes, I am definitely working class. My wage is probably average but I am looking at going back uni full time so it will take a hit in the short term.

 

[Broxi]

Cede ground to what maniacs?

SJW / Antifa Maniacs ... who claim disputing the gender-multiverse and controlled immigration are far right.

 

[bazzel]

I think immigration in a controlled manner with adequate screening etc is a positive thing.

Agreed wholeheartedly on freedom of movement.

Yes, I am definitely working class. My wage is probably average but I am looking at going back uni full time so it will take a hit in the short term.

And in the other side of that I don't agree with someone like farages take on immigration.
I would say that ive got more in common with polish or asian people in my area, who work and live in similar circumstances to me, than what I do a private educated, ex city trading toff like farage.

 

[bazzel]

SJW / Antifa Maniacs ... who claim disputing the gender-multiverse and controlled immigration are far right.

You realise that there are plenty of socialist groups that don't advocate open borders, I'm pretty sure the communist party GB don't either. It's not a cut and dried issue.

 

[Broxi]

You realise that there are plenty of socialist groups that don't advocate open borders, I'm pretty sure the communist party GB don't either. It's not a cut and dried issue.

I thought SJWs and Antifa has nothing to do with Socialists and Communists?

 

[HumansSuck]

No one would have to build a business single handedly though.
Again,
Are you happy with 1 man one vote in your political life? Why would you not want to extend that to your work life?
Why are you happy with the dictatorship of capitalism in your economic life?

You are conflating presence with achievement.

Just because the clerk is present at the bakery does not mean his presence put the bakery on the map. The baker having done it for years, built the business from the ground up is solely responsible for the bakery standing where it is.

Now, I'm not saying there should be no growth potential and ownership for the clerk. That does happen in a Capitalist society. It just depends on the individual and their willingness to sacrifice time and resources for the business. Obviously if you want to be an owner and not a clerk you can always leave a job and start your own, at great risk which is the risk the baker endured.

How is this not fair?

 

[Dazl1212]

And in the other side of that I don't agree with someone like farages take on immigration.
I would say that ive got more in common with polish or asian people in my area, who work and live in similar circumstances to me, than what I do a private educated, ex city trading toff like farage.

99% of politicians in the public eye are the same. Plus I imagine they have all had their palms greased by at least interest one group.