What's your opinion of Antifa?

  • They fight for a good cause. They're good.

    Votes: 9 11.8%
  • I don't know.

    Votes: 2 2.6%
  • I don't like them.

    Votes: 35 46.1%
  • I hate them, because i'm a fascist. Heil Hitler

    Votes: 30 39.5%

  • Total voters
    76

Clarence Worley

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Looks like antifa have a movie deal

The hunt is about liberal elites kidnapping and hunting MAGA types for sport

 
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SWJ have never killed anyone. Is your fragile masculinity so that youd rather worry about them then actual mass murder. Very strange.

I was using MLK to say what i didnt want to take the time to say, that moderate liberals are the bane of true change.
Troll fail 1/10.

Try harder.
 
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Don't go to Walmart next week': White supremacist arrested for threatening shooting
Aug 11, 2019, 2:52 AM ET

PHOTO: Richard Clayton, 26, was arrested in Winter Park, Fla., on Friday, Aug. 9, 2019, for allegedly threatening to shoot up a Walmart.
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A Florida white supremacist has been arrested for threatening a shooting at a Walmart just days after 22 people were killed at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, in one of the worst mass shootings in the country's modern history.
Richard Clayton, 26, was arrested by Florida Department of Law Enforcement authorities on Friday in Winter Park after making an online threat last week, according to police.
(MORE: Las Vegas neo-Nazi charged with plot to bomb gay club, synagogue)

On Aug. 6, Clayton allegedly posted on Facebook, "3 more days of probation left then I get my AR-15 back. Don’t go to Walmart next week."
The threat echoes the shooting allegedly carried out by Patrick Crusius in El Paso on Aug. 3. The suspect entered the Walmart and opened fire with an AR-15 assault rifle. Nearly 50 people were hit by the gunfire before the suspect exited the store and was later arrested a short distance away.
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Police said Crusius, a native of Allen, Texas, some 10 hours away, admitted to the crime and said he was trying to kill as many Mexicans as he could. He also posted a "manifesto" online espousing white supremacist and anti-immigrant sentiments.

Florida authorities said Clayton holds some of the same beliefs.
"Clayton appears to believe in the white supremacist ideology and has a history of posting threats on Facebook using fictitious accounts," Florida Department of Law Enforcement officials said.
 

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White nationalists, who have employed terroristic rhetoric with increased enthusiasm in recent months, expressed solidarity with the man who police say killed at least 20 people in El Paso, Texas on Saturday.


These white nationalists also mocked the dead.
Authorities identified the suspect as 21-year-old Patrick Crusius of Dallas, Texas. Police say the suspect carried a rifle into a Walmart in El Paso and opened fire on the people inside, injuring at least 26 people in addition to those who died. The same authorities are working to confirm the authenticity of, and any links between, the suspect and a manifesto published to the fringe internet platform 8chan in advance of the attack. The apparent manifesto refers to the “Hispanic invasion of Texas.”
Federal authorities are investigating the shooting as an act of domestic terrorism and a possible hate crime, several media outlets reported on Sunday.
The El Paso attack would be first of two mass shootings in 24 hours in the United States. Early Sunday morning, a gunman opened fire at a bar in Dayton, Ohio, killing nine people before police shot him dead.
The El Paso shooting follows a pattern carried out in Christchurch, New Zealand in March and in Poway, California in April. In both attacks, the suspects published manifestos to 8chan. Both manifestos were saturated with white nationalist talking points, portraying whites as the victims of a plan for elimination. The Christchurch attack targeted Muslims and the Poway attack targeted Jews.
Kevin MacDonald, an antisemitic former academic who is popular and influential with white nationalists, wrote on Twitter that he “agreed” with the El Paso suspect, based on the unverified manifesto.
“Agree with the shooter that the Dems see immigration as a path to permanent power and that pro-business elements in the GOP are cooperating,” he wrote, referring to lines in manifesto. “This won't be last bit of violence from people concerned about the Great Replacement. Political elites are playing a very dangerous game.”
The “Great Replacement” refers to a conspiratorial belief that whites are being systematically replaced in Western countries. The suspected terrorist in Christchurch, New Zealand titled his manifesto “The Great Replacement.” The unconfirmed manifesto being investigated by police in connection with the El Paso shooting praised the New Zealand attack in its opening line.
Accelerationism on the rise
Accelerationism is the belief among some far-right extremists that committing acts of terrorism will cause society to collapse. Following the collapse of Western civilization, the accelerationists believe they will have opportunities to build a country for only white, non-Jews that are unimaginable under the current system.
A pseudonymous Twitter user who goes by the display name “Dr. Honkler” wrote the words, “ACCELERATE ACCELERATE,” in response to a breaking news report of the El Paso attack, for example.
White nationalists have used fringe platforms like 8chan and the messaging app Telegram to call for terror attacks like the one in El Paso and to praise those who commit mass shootings in the name of their ideology as “saints.” Hatewatch reported on the trend of white nationalists publishing calls for terrorism to Telegram in June.
Paul Nehlen, who had 90,000 followers on Twitter before the company removed him from the platform, advocates for accelerationism in America. The former Republican candidate for Congress received praise from Donald Trump when he first ran for office in 2016. Today, Nehlen encourages his Telegram followers to embrace violence against minorities. He refers to himself as “Uncle Paul” and calls white nationalist terror attacks “boogaloos.” Hatewatch reported on Nehlen’s radicalization in a profile of him, which was published in June.
Nehlen responded to news of the attack in El Paso with glee.
“Pew pew pew to the dome,” Nehlen wrote to his Telegram followers, referring to a gory video showing what looks like the body of a person killed in the attack, splayed out on the floor of the Walmart.
Nehlen also reposted the comments of a pseudonymous Telegram user going by the name “Pure Hate.” The user wrote mockingly of the same video, “Clean up in aisle 4!”
“Pure Hate” also appeared to delight in the idea of attacking specifically Hispanic people in separate Telegram posts.
“Hey Bean N------, in case you didn’t hear it the first time. Trump said, ‘you have to go back. You have to go back. We have no choice!’” “Pure Hate” wrote, paraphrasing President Trump’s rhetoric about immigration.
“Thank you Saint Crusius for avenging us,” “Pure Hate” added underneath pictures of Kate Steinle and Mollie Tibbets.
Undocumented Latino immigrants were implicated in the death of both Steinle and Tibbets, whose cases became national stories in 2015 and 2018 respectively. Trump has used the deaths of both women to argue for his immigration policies. The President employed Tibbets’ name in a campaign email in June, despite calls from her father to “leave us out of your debate." In reality, there is no correlation between undocumented immigration and crime, according to a comprehensive reportpublished by The Marshall Project in May.
A pseudonymous Telegram account associated with “Bowlcast,” a podcast named after racist mass murderer Dylann Roof, posted a meme showing the suspect entering the Walmart with a rifle.
“GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT,” the meme declared.
Anonymous 8chan users also praised the terror attack. In a thread called “Kike Free Shooting Thread II,” a user of the say-anything forum wrote in the hours after the shooting took place, “The motive and the manifesto have not been named the entire day. There weren’t even speculations. They are fucking SCARED.”
Another 8chan user on the same thread posted a meme showing the image of what appeared to be a young girl killed in the attack, her body wet with blood. The meme also depicted the image of Alan Kurdi, a three-year-old Syrian boy who drowned while crossing the Mediterranean Sea in 2015, and another Syrian boy whose image went viral after he was pulled from the rubble in Aleppo in 2016. Superimposed over the dead and injured children were smiling, “alt-right” meme characters typically associated with ridicule and mockery.
White nationalists are heavily active on mainstream platforms like Twitter. There, they used the highly trafficked site to defend their ideology, deflect responsibility onto those who disagree, and imply that future bloodshed is inevitable.
“As [white nationalists] find themselves increasingly censored and attacked by society at large, young men will feel the need to take action,” white nationalist Twitter user @SvenLadenReborn wrote, implying that white nationalists like himself are unable to express themselves on social media. “The choice is clear, either let us speak and spread our message, or expect an increasingly violent reaction by those who feel like they don’t have a voice.”
Rationalizing violence
Brad Griffin, a white nationalist blogger who has been critical of terror attacks and accelerationism, still insinuated that they were inevitable going forward.
“Something like 1.25 million illegal aliens are expected to cross the border this year under the Blompf presidency,” Griffin wrote on his website “Occidental Dissent” Saturday, using a name mocking President Trump. “The vast majority of them will be released in the interior. Nothing is being done to stop it either. It isn’t really surprising that someone in Texas would be so angry about it and so frustrated by the utter worthlessness of conservatism that they would snap.”
Andrew “weev” Auernheimer, one of the key contributors to the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer, went further than Griffin. He wrote in the comments of a post on The Daily Stormer called “Full Text of Alleged Manifesto of El Paso Shooter” that violence against non-whites is “desirable.”
“Random violence is not detrimental to our cause, because we need to convince Americans that violence against nonwhites is desirable or at least not something worth opposing anyways, because there’s no way to remove a hundred million people without a massive element of violence,” Auernheimer wrote.
 

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The Timbers Army is Right: MLS Must Rescind Its Ban on the Iron Front Symbol

by Abe Asher • Aug 12, 2019 at 9:01 am

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One of the biggest stories in Major League Soccer this season is not taking place on the field.

On the first of March, just ahead of the beginning of the 2019 season, MLS unveiled a new fan code of conduct — which, among other things, banned the use of "political" signage in stadiums around the league.
The ban specifically targets the antifascist, pro-human rights Iron Front logo, which had been a staple of Timbers Army displays since the 2017 and was omnipresent in the North End at Providence Park last season.
In a letter to the 107 Independent Supporters' Trust (107ist) in May, the Timbers claimed that the symbol's presence inside the stadium drew "numerous complaints" from fans who identify it with the antifascist group Antifa.
But MLS and its clubs' position on the Iron Front logo is, both in theory and practice, a mess.

The concept of respect for fundamental human rights that fascism necessarily violates may be a contested political position — the president's former righthand man, after all, recently declared that he's "not really a human rights guy" — but to argue over whether it's political or not is to miss the point.
The point is that there is not and cannot be any legitimate debate over whether it is a moral position or not. Once you've taken a stand against a symbol that promotes human rights and antifascism, you're both in the wrong and sending an extremely dangerous message.
In any case, the idea that MLS now has an honest, uniform ban on politics in stadiums is farcial. The Iron Front logo is certainly no more political than MLS clubs wearing and selling stars-and-stripes or camouflage warmups, or, appropriately, allowing LGBTQ+ pride displays in stadiums.
In fact, the league has an entire advertisement campaign — Don't Cross the Line — that promotes its purported anti-racism and anti-homophobia. Banning the Iron Front, meanwhile, is a political decision as well.
The truth is that there is never an absence of politics. You either allow antifascist imagery or you don't, but either decision speaks volumes about the values and priorities of your organization.

It shouldn't be a difficult decision. The Iron Front logo has a long and storied history that began with opposition to the Nazi Party in 1930s Germany, and expresses support for the kinds of principles that every mainstream company or club must embrace, full stop: rights for all, oppression for none.
MLS in particular is an extremely diverse league with a diverse set of supporters, and it has a responsibility to those supporters with identities historically and presently targeted by fascists and their sympathizers to to affirm their right to come to games in peace and safety.
If certain other supporters are uncomfortable with antifascist displays in stadiums, they should take a hard look at where exactly their discomfort stems from or find somewhere else to spend their time.
This isn't an abstract issue. In practice, the league-wide crackdown on antifascist imagery has, unsurprisingly, emboldened the opponents of antifascism.
The buildup to the Timbers' home opener at Providence Park on June 1 was interrupted by two men waving a Donald Trump flag. Shortly thereafter, members of the Proud Boys made noise about attending Timbers matches.

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Last week, far right agitators harassed and scuffled with Seattle supporters before the Sounders' match against Sporting Kansas City. Across the country, in New York, white supremacists have routinely showed up in the supporters' section at Yankee Stadium.

While all of this has gone on, clubs around the league have made a point of confiscating signs with anti-racist, antifascist messages and ejecting fans who have displayed them from Vancouver to Seattle to Atlanta.
It's not good enough. Across the world, soccer has long struggled with white supremacist violence, homophobia, and racism in stadiums. Supporters and supporters groups who devote their time and energy to creating spaces in which those ideologies of hate are not welcome should be applauded.
Considering our current context, one in which the far right is ascendent at home and abroad, that work is all the more important.
That context has a sharp local edge as well. Portland is the whitest major city in the United States, a product of Oregon's foundational ban on black people and its racist housing policy that followed. It has long been a gathering spot for neo-Nazis and skinheads, like the the people who murdered Mulugeta Seraw, and has in the last several years been the site of numerous clashes instigated by alt right provocateurs.

Against that backdrop, the Timbers Army has, since its inception, stood strongly and proudly against fascism and racism and committed itself to the work of inclusion. Its response to the Iron Front ban has been extremely encouraging.
What started with the group distributing small Iron Front buttons ahead of the home opener and continued with their flying the Iron Front flag in Seattle last month hit a high point last week, as the club coordinated with Seattle's Emerald City Supporters and Gorilla FC to issue a joint statement condemning MLS's decision.
Ahead of Saturday night's Cascadia Cup match against the Vancouver Whitecaps, the Timbers Army printed and sold t-shirts with the Iront Front logo on them and provided supplies for fans — including Vancouver's — to to stencil the symbol onto their own shirts.
The result was a supporters' section full of antifascist imagery and solidarity with supporters groups who have picked up the baton and displayed the Iron Front from Seattle to Vancouver, Atlanta to Los Angeles, from Dallas to Columbus to Minnesota, and beyond.
Some things are bigger than soccer. This is one of them.
The Timbers Army is a credit to itself, as is every other supporters' group who has stepped into the vacuum that MLS has so needlessly created to make it very clear that, no matter where the league stands, fascism will not be tolerated in our stadiums and beyond them.
The 107ist's demands are straightforward: that the ban on the Iron Front be lifted, that MLS remove the word "political" from its fan code of conduct, and that it work with experts to write a new fan code of conduct that supports the work of inclusion and anti-discrimination.
It's asking fans in support to step up the pressure on social media, contact ticket representatives and front offices, and to cease spending money in MLS stadiums until the league changes its approach.
I'm in. You should be too.