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Almost every physician, performance athlete, scientist, etc. Disagrees with you but if it works for you then more power to you. If you're eating to look a certain way and are too lazy or lack the self control to eat properly then sure cutting out carbs will get you there. You will never be at peak performance. There's a reason body builders pass out on stage. Their only goal is to look a certain way but that's not ideal for peak human performance.
Are these the same physicians and scientists that promoted that pyramid with the high carb/low fat diet where the general population got fat as fuck following it?

People like you eat carbs precisely because you're too lazy and lack self control. Habit. Gotta have bread with a meal. Gotta have starchy veges to go with a steak or fish. Gotta have rice or pasta because that's what you've always done. Bet you've never tried cutting out carbs for a day let alone a week. Try it and then get back to me. Bodybuilders pass out on stage because they push their bodies to the extreme. No different to a carb-loaded marathon runner passing out when his body can take no more.

Today I had a beef stirfry on konjac noodles for lunch and a t bone steak and salad for dinner. Enjoyed the meals, less than 1,500 calories for the day and still feel full as fuck. Haven't snacked because I didn't feel the need to. On a 1,500 cal carb diet you'd feel hungry at least once through the day and want to snack. When I only eat one meal for the day, it's normally a decent sized steak and salad and that has me under 1,000 cals. Not hungry at all. Function perfectly well. How is that possible?


It cracks me up when the anti carb crowd makes and exception. someone on this board talked about how he was in keto but ate some carbs cause he was going in a hike. Like he fully acknowledged that carbs are a superior source of energy but still swears keto is the way.
He would've been fine without carbs and just eaten fat and drank some vodka.

The problem with carbs really comes down to 2 things.

1. Refinement. Sugar, white breads, white rice, bleached pasta, etc. We are keeping just the carbs and calories without all the other good shit. Study after study has shown that complex carbohydrates are associated with lean body mass.

2. Portion sizes. If you ever read the serving size on any box of pasta, bag of rice, whatever, you'll notice that most people eat like 6 or 7 servings every time they eat, no shit they're gonna get fat.

Take any athlete, anyone that eats for performance and not just to look a certain way. You'll find that that all eat carbs in abundance.
Shit like white bread and rice has complex carbs. Study after study has shown protein is associated with lean body mass.

The reason most people have larger portion sizes is because it takes more to feel full eating carbs.

Athletes eat carbs because they are very active and burn the calories. Notice how most athletes get fat after they retire?

Carbs are junk. Take a week off of them and then get back to me.
 
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Are these the same physicians and scientists that promoted that pyramid with the high carb/low fat diet where the general population got fat as fuck following it?

People like you eat carbs precisely because you're too lazy and lack self control. Habit. Gotta have bread with a meal. Gotta have starchy veges to go with a steak or fish. Gotta have rice or pasta because that's what you've always done. Bet you've never tried cutting out carbs for a day let alone a week. Try it and then get back to me. Bodybuilders pass out on stage because they push their bodies to the extreme. No different to a carb-loaded marathon runner passing out when his body can take no more.

Today I had a beef stirfry on konjac noodles for lunch and a t bone steak and salad for dinner. Enjoyed the meals, less than 1,500 calories for the day and still feel full as fuck. Haven't snacked because I didn't feel the need to. On a 1,500 cal carb diet you'd feel hungry at least once through the day and want to snack. When I only eat one meal for the day, it's normally a decent sized steak and salad and that has me under 1,000 cals. Not hungry at all. Function perfectly well. How is that possible?




He would've been fine without carbs and just eaten fat and drank some vodka.



Shit like white bread and rice has complex carbs. Study after study has shown protein is associated with lean body mass.

The reason most people have larger portion sizes is because it takes more to feel full eating carbs.

Athletes eat carbs because they are very active and burn the calories. Notice how most athletes get fat after they retire?

Carbs are junk. Take a week off of them and then get back to me.
If I eat carbs I always go whole grain brown rice or quinoa. Plenty of fibers (or is it fibres?) that actually makes your body burn calories, amino acids, and you'll feel full way quicker than that white bread/pasta crap.
 

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Are these the same physicians and scientists that promoted that pyramid with the high carb/low fat diet where the general population got fat as fuck following it?

People like you eat carbs precisely because you're too lazy and lack self control. Habit. Gotta have bread with a meal. Gotta have starchy veges to go with a steak or fish. Gotta have rice or pasta because that's what you've always done. Bet you've never tried cutting out carbs for a day let alone a week. Try it and then get back to me. Bodybuilders pass out on stage because they push their bodies to the extreme. No different to a carb-loaded marathon runner passing out when his body can take no more.

Today I had a beef stirfry on konjac noodles for lunch and a t bone steak and salad for dinner. Enjoyed the meals, less than 1,500 calories for the day and still feel full as fuck. Haven't snacked because I didn't feel the need to. On a 1,500 cal carb diet you'd feel hungry at least once through the day and want to snack. When I only eat one meal for the day, it's normally a decent sized steak and salad and that has me under 1,000 cals. Not hungry at all. Function perfectly well. How is that possible?




He would've been fine without carbs and just eaten fat and drank some vodka.



Shit like white bread and rice has complex carbs. Study after study has shown protein is associated with lean body mass.

The reason most people have larger portion sizes is because it takes more to feel full eating carbs.

Athletes eat carbs because they are very active and burn the calories. Notice how most athletes get fat after they retire?

Carbs are junk. Take a week off of them and then get back to me.
I don't think thewoo is necessarily saying that it doesn't work for you. He also isn't arguing for the kind of heavy simple carb consumption most people do.


He is arguing for some complex carbs...especially when balancing a intense training regiment.


From what you are saying it doesn't sound like you are currently engaged in any kind of highly strenuous work out program.


Simply put...I don't think you two wonderful posters are really that far apart.

Also I must add Haggis is a asshole.


Can you let Dale be my friend (again) now?

Thanks.


Keep up the good work Vino.
 
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Are these the same physicians and scientists that promoted that pyramid with the high carb/low fat diet where the general population got fat as fuck following it?

People like you eat carbs precisely because you're too lazy and lack self control. Habit. Gotta have bread with a meal. Gotta have starchy veges to go with a steak or fish. Gotta have rice or pasta because that's what you've always done. Bet you've never tried cutting out carbs for a day let alone a week. Try it and then get back to me. Bodybuilders pass out on stage because they push their bodies to the extreme. No different to a carb-loaded marathon runner passing out when his body can take no more.

Today I had a beef stirfry on konjac noodles for lunch and a t bone steak and salad for dinner. Enjoyed the meals, less than 1,500 calories for the day and still feel full as fuck. Haven't snacked because I didn't feel the need to. On a 1,500 cal carb diet you'd feel hungry at least once through the day and want to snack. When I only eat one meal for the day, it's normally a decent sized steak and salad and that has me under 1,000 cals. Not hungry at all. Function perfectly well. How is that possible?




He would've been fine without carbs and just eaten fat and drank some vodka.



Shit like white bread and rice has complex carbs. Study after study has shown protein is associated with lean body mass.

The reason most people have larger portion sizes is because it takes more to feel full eating carbs.

Athletes eat carbs because they are very active and burn the calories. Notice how most athletes get fat after they retire?

Carbs are junk. Take a week off of them and then get back to me.
I've done 6 months carb free. So that punches holes in a big part of your argument. Noticed that all the bullshit people talk about no carb is all in their heads. Study after study shows what you basically just said and what I said to start the thread. It's not the elimination of carbs that makes people lose weight, it's the fact that doing so also tends to result in a reduction of calories.

I eat carbs because I think that we are better when we eat a variety of food sources and get all our nutrients. If I ever wanna spoil myself I can do so without worrying about knocking myself out of ketosis. I enjoy life and enjoy food. Eat whatever I want and get to try new things, can go places without having to pick apart the menu worrying about every single ingredient because maybe for all I know there's some sugar in a sauce.

I'm 39 years old and in the kind of shape where complete strangers come up to me and ask me how I do it. I can run circles around guys in their 20s both literally and figuratively. For anything related to my fitness I stick to the keep it simple ideology because all this dumb ass shit that everyone does is just that, dumb shit for people that can't follow basic principles.
 
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I know smokers that have lived into their hundreds, guys the eat ice cream and Twinkies and have 6 packs, there's exceptions to every rule.

The guy you're talking about is Zach Bitter. Currently holds the record for fastest 100 mile race. Not only is he an exception and not the rule but if you actually read his diet you'll see that on his more intense training weeks he does take in low GI carbs like sweet potatoes and berries.
Most people aren't extreme athletes. Carbs get people who are too sedentary which is a big percentage of the population. People in general need to be eating more unsaturated fat and fewer carbs. The cost of diabetes, HTN, and cholesterol on society is enormous and preventable. I'm not saying everyone should be walking around in absolute ketosis.
 

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I did intermittent fasting for 20+ years due to a medical condition. I would routinely have days where I ate zero food. I don't know what it did or didn't do healthwise, but I still fit the same jeans I did 20 years ago. Not drinking alcohol helps with that too, though. And at mealtimes I still eat significantly less food than any of my friends, even though I've been taking medication for almost 4 years that has sorted the severe nausea right out.

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I did intermittent fasting for 20+ years due to a medical condition. I would routinely have days where I ate zero food. I don't know what it did or didn't do healthwise, but I still fit the same jeans I did 20 years ago. Not driving alcohol helps with that too, though. And at mealtimes I still eat significantly less food than any of my friends, even though I've been taking medication for almost 4 years that has sorted the severe nausea right out.

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Yeah man but what do you know you nutter

(Hey @VinoVeritas hows that? Can you please let Dale be my friend again?)
 
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I've done 6 months carb free. So that punches holes in a big part of your argument. Noticed that all the bullshit people talk about no carb is all in their heads. Study after study shows what you basically just said and what I said to start the thread. It's not the elimination of carbs that makes people lose weight, it's the fact that doing so also tends to result in a reduction of calories.

I eat carbs because I think that we are better when we eat a variety of food sources and get all our nutrients. If I ever wanna spoil myself I can do so without worrying about knocking myself out of ketosis. I enjoy life and enjoy food. Eat whatever I want and get to try new things, can go places without having to pick apart the menu worrying about every single ingredient because maybe for all I know there's some sugar in a sauce.

I'm 39 years old and in the kind of shape where complete strangers come up to me and ask me how I do it. I can run circles around guys in their 20s both literally and figuratively. For anything related to my fitness I stick to the keep it simple ideology because all this dumb ass shit that everyone does is just that, dumb shit for people that can't follow basic principles.
You should have stuck with a low carb diet. Your health would be better for it. If you did it for 6 months you must have been functioning fine. Did you get bloods done before, during and after?

Why's it dumb to eat less of a food that increases appetite? Or can lead to poor health?
 
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Most people aren't extreme athletes. Carbs get people who are too sedentary which is a big percentage of the population. People in general need to be eating more unsaturated fat and fewer carbs. The cost of diabetes, HTN, and cholesterol on society is enormous and preventable. I'm not saying everyone should be walking around in absolute ketosis.
I agree with "less carbs". Like I said before, read the suggestion on a box of pasta and you'll see people are eating 6 servings or more in a single sitting. Shit like soda and candy bars is nothing but carbs. So I have no issue with the statement that people should eat less of them. That being said I think people need to eat less in general. We eat way too fucking much in this country.
 
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You should have stuck with a low carb diet. Your health would be better for it. If you did it for 6 months you must have been functioning fine. Did you get bloods done before, during and after?

Why's it dumb to eat less of a food that increases appetite? Or can lead to poor health?
On the surface you may think I was functioning fine. I looked good, was able to workout and move around etc. I was definitely weaker though. I kept taking more and more plates off the bar for my workouts. Within a week of reintroducing carbs my squat alone was up by about 40%.

"Can" lead to poor health is a serious misrepresentation. Anything has the potential to lead to poor health especially in excess.

Eat less, move more. It really is that simple. People overcomplicate it. I eat anything I want in moderation. Pizza, donuts, ice cream. They aren't Staples in my diet but I treat myself whenever I want. I'm happy and I look good, and more importantly I actually am in good shape. I don't just look a certain way. I don't need a blood test. I can see myself in the mirror. I can see the numbers in my workouts, how much I can lift, how fast I can complete a run, how long of a battle rope session I can do, etc. If eliminating carbs is the only way you can do it then by all means do you just stop saying that carbs are bad or that it's the only way cause it's just plain false
 
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Honestly Vino is on a tangent here arguing with strawmen he himself constructed.


Sorry Vino...hope this doesn't keep you from letting Dale be my friends.
 
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On the surface you may think I was functioning fine. I looked good, was able to workout and move around etc. I was definitely weaker though. I kept taking more and more plates off the bar for my workouts. Within a week of reintroducing carbs my squat alone was up by about 40%.

"Can" lead to poor health is a serious misrepresentation. Anything has the potential to lead to poor health especially in excess.

Eat less, move more. It really is that simple. People overcomplicate it. I eat anything I want in moderation. Pizza, donuts, ice cream. They aren't Staples in my diet but I treat myself whenever I want. I'm happy and I look good, and more importantly I actually am in good shape. I don't just look a certain way. I don't need a blood test. I can see myself in the mirror. I can see the numbers in my workouts, how much I can lift, how fast I can complete a run, how long of a battle rope session I can do, etc. If eliminating carbs is the only way you can do it then by all means do you just stop saying that carbs are bad or that it's the only way cause it's just plain false
Looking healthy and being healthy are two different things. Get bloods done now, cut out carbs for a month and get your bloods done again. Let us know which results are better.

If you need to eat pizza, donuts and ice-cream to be happy, good for you. Enjoy your cancer.
 
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Looking healthy and being healthy are two different things. Get bloods done now, cut out carbs for a month and get your bloods done again. Let us know which results are better.

If you need to eat pizza, donuts and ice-cream to be happy, good for you. Enjoy your cancer.
I've said a million times already that looking healthy and being healthy are 2 different things.

Just curious, what if any credentials do you have that you are now going from "carbs make you hungry" to "carbs cause cancer". That's a pretty big claim. What degree do you have? What research have you either conducted or read? Actual research, peer reviewed studies published in respected publications, not some fitness YouTuber.

Pretty sure I'll take the advice of my doctor over and random guy on the internet.

As for donuts and pizza, like I said they're not Staples in my diet. I was just making the point that it's ok to take things in moderation. If one donut or one piece of your kid's birthday cake is gonna mess up your whole diet then there's a problem
 
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Looking healthy and being healthy are two different things. Get bloods done now, cut out carbs for a month and get your bloods done again. Let us know which results are better.

If you need to eat pizza, donuts and ice-cream to be happy, good for you. Enjoy your cancer.
He has literally said he doesn't eat a ton of carbs.


He just doesnt do the supposed zero carbs shit you do (which you probably don't really do since you probably blow the froth off with Dale every night....afterwards you drink some beers).


Fuck you are obtuse...


Hey did you tell Dale to be by friend yet?

Man that Haggis sure is annoying.
 
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I agree with "less carbs". Like I said before, read the suggestion on a box of pasta and you'll see people are eating 6 servings or more in a single sitting. Shit like soda and candy bars is nothing but carbs. So I have no issue with the statement that people should eat less of them. That being said I think people need to eat less in general. We eat way too fucking much in this country.
You’re being too simplistic. If the American population kept calories constant but raised unsaturated fat intake and lowered high GI carbs, systemic disease, neurological disease, and cancer rates would likely all lower, especially for blacks and Hispanics.

You’ve been implying that you know what a doctor would say. I am one and a large part of my income is from dealing with fallout from diabetes. I tell them to replace rice, pasta and bread with nuts and avocados, and to eat dinner earlier, go for a walk, and not eat again until morning. It’s simple and inexpensive advice.

What works for you as a relatively young person with a gym routine doesn’t always apply to everyone else.
 

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New study....who knows if it is crap or not...

But it claims people today who eat the same foods exercise the same and are the same age as similar counterparts during the 1980s are fatter today.
 
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You’re being too simplistic. If the American population kept calories constant but raised unsaturated fat intake and lowered high GI carbs, systemic disease, neurological disease, and cancer rates would likely all lower, especially for blacks and Hispanics.

You’ve been implying that you know what a doctor would say. I am one and a large part of my income is from dealing with fallout from diabetes. I tell them to replace rice, pasta and bread with nuts and avocados, and to eat dinner earlier, go for a walk, and not eat again until morning. It’s simple and inexpensive advice.

What works for you as a relatively young person with a gym routine doesn’t always apply to everyone else.
As a doctor do you advise your healthy patients to eliminate carbohydrates from their diet? You're using words like "lower" which again I've said over and over again I agree with. I disagree with the crowd that says you need to eliminate carbohydrates or do one of those diets where you take them down to like 40 grams per day.

I also think that while food is extremely important people need to stop trying to diet their way to health. People need to get more physical activity and stop doing things like eliminating carbs as a substitute for getting much needed excercise. It's lazy and stupid. I agree with your "go for a walk" advice as a starting point for someone that's let themselves go to the point where that's all they can do it's a good starting point.

Eat less, move more. You can't just do the eat less part. I mean you could and you may even be satisfied with the way you look but you won't be healthy
 
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As a doctor do you advise your healthy patients to eliminate carbohydrates from their diet? You're using words like "lower" which again I've said over and over again I agree with. I disagree with the crowd that says you need to eliminate carbohydrates or do one of those diets where you take them down to like 40 grams per day.

I also think that while food is extremely important people need to stop trying to diet their way to health. People need to get more physical activity and stop doing things like eliminating carbs as a substitute for getting much needed excercise. It's lazy and stupid. I agree with your "go for a walk" advice as a starting point for someone that's let themselves go to the point where that's all they can do it's a good starting point.

Eat less, move more. You can't just do the eat less part. I mean you could and you may even be satisfied with the way you look but you won't be healthy
I don't tell anyone to eliminate carbs from their diet; it's way do cumbersome. The few diabetics who do the keto diet on their own volition are always in good condition and can often go off meds.