Athletes who are nowhere near the GOAT conversation.... but on their best day, they're better than the guys who are?

Haggis

CHB World Championship People's Champion
May 16, 2013
34,104
11,393
Some TKOs are mercy TKOs, where a coherent fighter is taking a prolonged beating and the ref has simply seen enough. Other TKOs happen when a fighter gets so f*cked up by a shot that he is not coherent and is in immediate danger.

Lewis got hit, put on his ass, and did not recover in the eyes of the ref, or anyone else for that matter. KO.
He beat the 10 count, then the ref waved it off. But he beat the 10 count. Therefore not a clean KO. Therefore a technical knockout. :thumbsup

:hat
 

steviebruno

CHB NYC Delegate
Jun 5, 2013
13,326
3,875
New York City
He beat the 10 count, then the ref waved it off. But he beat the 10 count. Therefore not a clean KO. Therefore a technical knockout. :thumbsup

:hat
If that makes you feel better, then good for you. I saw a man get KOd that night, then get saved from being rendered unconscious.
 
Jul 18, 2012
3,976
2,061
my other other benz
Some TKOs are mercy TKOs, where a coherent fighter is taking a prolonged beating and the ref has simply seen enough. Other TKOs happen when a fighter gets so f*cked up by a shot that he is not coherent and is in immediate danger.

Lewis got hit, put on his ass, and did not recover in the eyes of the ref, or anyone else for that matter. KO.
It was literally a tko, that was the result of the fight. If you want it to be a KO because you make up your own results thats cool but its not really something you can argue.
 

SwollenGoat

Deicide
May 17, 2013
50,299
12,648
The House that Peterbilt
The other knock on Lewis is that he didn't face any other ATG heavyweights at peak level, unless you count Vitali.

Head to head, though, he might actually be the best ever. I would only be fairly comfortable betting on a prime George Foreman to chop him down. Maybe Holmes and a younger, more agile Ali to outpoint him.

That's about it.
prime Riddick Bowe.........
 
Reactions: aliwasthegreatest
Jun 4, 2012
27,414
17,968
What would have happened if the fight continued?
We will never know. My guess? McCall KO's him. But it is far from a given. When Fury was lying on his back with the count at 4, if the ref had waved it off and your connection had cut out, would you have guessed he would get up and go on to have the better of the round?

When Corrales went down for a second time in round 10, if the ref had waved it off when he got to 9 and Corrales was not fully up, would you have guessed that he would go on to KO Castillo that very round?

It has happened many many times in boxing and MMA, where someone looks done for, out on their feet, but somehow they get a come from behind KO win or make it out of a round and end up winning. Lewis had his gloves up, before the fight would actually have continued, there would naturally have been a further 2 seconds or more as the ref did his last checks, and McCall would have been coming in to throw the big right...who knows? Lewis with both hands up tight may have been able to block/roll away from flush contact and then tie McCall up. See out the round and win.

More likely he gets KO'd, but we will never know. And by the way, the entire commentary team in the US at that moment felt it was an early stoppage...more so than I do actually, so this line is way off:

"did not recover in the eyes of the ref, or anyone else for that matter. KO."

The fact is, that you've now indicated you don't know what a KO is within the sport. Or, you just remembered the ending inaccurately and rather than just saying "Hey fair enough, it was a TKO, I remembered it differently" you are being stubborn and sticking to your guns, which just makes it look like you literally don't know the rules of the sport or some of its most basic terminology.
 
Reactions: Matty lll and Jay

steviebruno

CHB NYC Delegate
Jun 5, 2013
13,326
3,875
New York City
Nope, he didn't.

:hat
Ref waived it off, TKO.
We will never know. My guess? McCall KO's him. But it is far from a given. When Fury was lying on his back with the count at 4, if the ref had waved it off and your connection had cut out, would you have guessed he would get up and go on to have the better of the round?

When Corrales went down for a second time in round 10, if the ref had waved it off when he got to 9 and Corrales was not fully up, would you have guessed that he would go on to KO Castillo that very round?

It has happened many many times in boxing and MMA, where someone looks done for, out on their feet, but somehow they get a come from behind KO win or make it out of a round and end up winning. Lewis had his gloves up, before the fight would actually have continued, there would naturally have been a further 2 seconds or more as the ref did his last checks, and McCall would have been coming in to throw the big right...who knows? Lewis with both hands up tight may have been able to block/roll away from flush contact and then tie McCall up. See out the round and win.

More likely he gets KO'd, but we will never know. And by the way, the entire commentary team in the US at that moment felt it was an early stoppage...more so than I do actually, so this line is way off:

"did not recover in the eyes of the ref, or anyone else for that matter. KO."

The fact is, that you've now indicated you don't know what a KO is within the sport. Or, you just remembered the ending inaccurately and rather than just saying "Hey fair enough, it was a TKO, I remembered it differently" you are being stubborn and sticking to your guns, which just makes it look like you literally don't know the rules of the sport or some of its most basic terminology.
Lewis got up, staggered around the ring, and literally leaned against the ref for support. You guys want to play word games to deny that Lewis got ko'd that night, when he clearly did. The term "tko", in this instance, is nothing more than a technicality.

Just because you got up doesn't mean that you beat the count.

This is actually the complete opposite of Fury, who got up lucid, responsive, and ready to fight, so that is actually a poor comparison on your part.

When a fighter down, he has to satisfy multiple criteria to PROVE that he is still in the fight; Lewis hardly satisfied any. He got up, yet staggered around, looked dazed, didn't respond, and literally leaned against the referee to keep from staggering again. He failed to show that he had sufficiently recovered from the knockdown, even within the ten second window.

'oh, but Lewis wasn't knocked out, he was only tkod' .Guess that makes it look better in your eyes.
 
Jun 4, 2012
27,414
17,968
You guys want to play word games to deny that Lewis got ko'd that night, when he clearly did. The term "tko", in this instance, is nothing more than a technicality.
:lol:

Crazy, who would have thought that a TECHNICAL knock out was a "technicality" in terms of a KO.

I am not wasting any more time trying to explain to you how someone getting up at 6, standing, holding up their guard and being waved off by the referee without a count of 10 is a TKO and not a KO. You carry on being the sole person on the forum who thinks it's a KO.
 
Reactions: Sweet Pea

steviebruno

CHB NYC Delegate
Jun 5, 2013
13,326
3,875
New York City
:lol:

Crazy, who would have thought that a TECHNICAL knock out was a "technicality" in terms of a KO.

I am not wasting any more time trying to explain to you how someone getting up at 6, standing, holding up their guard and being waved off by the referee without a count of 10 is a TKO and not a KO. You carry on being the sole person on the forum who thinks it's a KO.
"Standing" Lol.