Athletes who are nowhere near the GOAT conversation.... but on their best day, they're better than the guys who are?

AntG

Scaredy Bat
Nov 16, 2012
2,269
Lancashire
Whoever said Juan Pablo Montoya is a good shout too, won races in every discipline he's raced in, which isn't easy.
 

steviebruno

CHB NYC Delegate
Jun 5, 2013
12,038
New York City
I'm getting What does the term floored mean to you? vibes here... :lol:
'Lennox Lewis wasn't knocked out, he was just rendered completely incoherent by a single punch...unable to remain upright after getting knocked down, without the support of a nearby referee, within ten seconds...opting, instead, to stagger around like Bambi on ice.'

...Does that sound better to you?
 
Jun 4, 2012
25,622
'Lennox Lewis wasn't knocked out, he was just rendered completely incoherent by a single punch...unable to remain upright after getting knocked down, without the support of a nearby referee, within ten seconds...opting, instead, to stagger around like Bambi on ice.'

...Does that sound better to you?
It would do if it were true. Watch it again. Yes he is staggering, but he is on his feet, upright without the ref touching him. The ref hugs him when he waves it off. Lewis is on his feet. He then puts his arms out in complaint.


Here he is as the ref waves it off. Yes he is on unsteady legs, but he is CLEARLY upright, and holding up his guard too. It's what's commonly known as a "TKO".

 

steviebruno

CHB NYC Delegate
Jun 5, 2013
12,038
New York City
It would do if it were true. Watch it again. Yes he is staggering, but he is on his feet, upright without the ref touching him. The ref hugs him when he waves it off. Lewis is on his feet. He then puts his arms out in complaint.


Here he is as the ref waves it off. Yes he is on unsteady legs, but he is CLEARLY upright, and holding up his guard too. It's what's commonly known as a "TKO".

Lol. You're freeze framing an image as if he isn't staggering around like a buffoon in the very next shot, leaning against the referee. He isn't holding a guard, he is holding his hands up in an attempt to fool the ref into believing that he had sufficiently recovered. Did not work.

At no point is he steady on his feet and it is sort of pathetic that you would try to freeze an image to suggest that he was.
 

Haggis

CHB World Championship People's Champion
May 16, 2013
31,672
Lol. You're freeze framing an image as if he isn't staggering around like a buffoon in the very next shot, leaning against the referee.
Stevie,

He beat the 10 count.

He demonstrated presence of mind and awareness of his situation by tucking his gloves up underneath his chin, attempting to communicate that he was capable of intelligently defending himself.

The ref decided otherwise, and waved off the fight.

It's basically a textbook example of a technical knockout.

:hat
 

steviebruno

CHB NYC Delegate
Jun 5, 2013
12,038
New York City
Stevie,

He beat the 10 count.

He demonstrated presence of mind and awareness of his situation by tucking his gloves up underneath his chin, attempting to communicate that he was capable of intelligently defending himself.

The ref decided otherwise, and waved off the fight.

It's basically a textbook example of a technical knockout.

:hat
Did he demonstrate the ability to stand upright without staggering around like a jackass?
 
Jun 4, 2012
25,622
Lol. You're freeze framing an image as if he isn't staggering around like a buffoon in the very next shot, leaning against the referee. He isn't holding a guard, he is holding his hands up in an attempt to fool the ref into believing that he had sufficiently recovered. Did not work.

At no point is he steady on his feet and it is sort of pathetic that you would try to freeze an image to suggest that he was.
What's pathetic is saying he didn't stand upright, when he is standing and then arguing that he was knocked out while at the same time saying he had the wherewithal to try and "fool the ref". So he was able to hold up his hands to try and fool the ref, while stood upright, but he was knocked out. :lol:

You're behaving like a fucking child, who won't admit they were wrong. Every boxing record and publication in the world has it as TKO. Every boxing fan knows it's a TKO, but here you are arguing it was a KO and blathering on about how wobbly he was and what would have happened next if it had not been stopped...which is the entire purpose of a ref waving it off and it being a TKO.

It's quite astonishing to see someone go to such lengths rather than just say "Yeah my bad, it was a TKO, but he would have been KO'd if it had not been waved off". I will stick to talking tennis with you, and add boxing onto things like science that are a waste of time talking about.
 

Jay

Staff member
May 31, 2012
11,894
What's pathetic is saying he didn't stand upright, when he is standing and then arguing that he was knocked out while at the same time saying he had the wherewithal to try and "fool the ref". So he was able to hold up his hands to try and fool the ref, while stood upright, but he was knocked out. :lol:

You're behaving like a fucking child, who won't admit they were wrong. Every boxing record and publication in the world has it as TKO. Every boxing fan knows it's a TKO, but here you are arguing it was a KO and blathering on about how wobbly he was and what would have happened next if it had not been stopped...which is the entire purpose of a ref waving it off and it being a TKO.

It's quite astonishing to see someone go to such lengths rather than just say "Yeah my bad, it was a TKO, but he would have been KO'd if it had not been waved off". I will stick to talking tennis with you, and add boxing onto things like science that are a waste of time talking about.
Why are you being so pedantic about a technicality? No one cares about technicalities when it comes to KO's. Next you're going to try and argue that some people did care and acknowledge the difference and create something as stupid as a T(echnical) KO. Honestly..

If a guy is put on his back and on unsteady legs, he's KO'd like Pacquiao was against Marquez. The only difference is a technicality which no one cares about.

@steviebruno I don't think this is a solid argument for you, unless you're on a big time windup. Lewis beat the count and was potentially able to continue. The referee used his discretion to decide he wasn't, and to stop the fight. That's the definition of a TKO. A KO is where the fighter ends the fight, but a TKO is where the referee used his discretion to stop it. Fights have continued with one guy in far worse shape than Lewis was, and even turned around.
 
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In boxing terms, what about Demarcus Corley.

Such an inconsistent fighter, but on his day was a nightmare for anyone.
 

steviebruno

CHB NYC Delegate
Jun 5, 2013
12,038
New York City
What's pathetic is saying he didn't stand upright, when he is standing and then arguing that he was knocked out while at the same time saying he had the wherewithal to try and "fool the ref". So he was able to hold up his hands to try and fool the ref, while stood upright, but he was knocked out. :lol:

You're behaving like a fucking child, who won't admit they were wrong. Every boxing record and publication in the world has it as TKO. Every boxing fan knows it's a TKO, but here you are arguing it was a KO and blathering on about how wobbly he was and what would have happened next if it had not been stopped...which is the entire purpose of a ref waving it off and it being a TKO.

It's quite astonishing to see someone go to such lengths rather than just say "Yeah my bad, it was a TKO, but he would have been KO'd if it had not been waved off". I will stick to talking tennis with you, and add boxing onto things like science that are a waste of time talking about.
Even as he was complaining, he was STILL stumbling about. He looked completely ridiculous...

.... Almost as ridiculous as you looked, going out of your way to correct the person who said that Lewis was knocked out. He was, and arguing a technicality as if that somehow changes the result and perception of what occurred, was a pointless exercise. History will say that Lewis was Ko'd. If you want to go through the trouble of placing it under the same umbrella with different specifications, you'd should be willing to use that same microscope in reviewing what actually occurred.

Lewis was in no condition to fight. Got put down with one shot, got up, and then did reggae dances all over the ring until the referee decided that he had embarrassed himself enough and stopped the fight. The ref actually gave him extra time to recover, more than the ten seconds that would be alloted for a regular count, and Lewis. Did. Not. Recover.

Nothing more needs to be said, and we can stop lying that Lewis was in any position to continue.
 
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