Australian rugby star/known moron again tells everyone that Jesus says gay people are going to hell. Turns into a much bigger thread than anticipated.

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If they want to trade him based upon his religious beliefs, they can freely do so. I wonder if the New England Patriots have any Christians on their roster? Pretty sure they wouldn't approve of Bob Kraft's choices...
I wrote another post to Pete after the last one.
There is nobody to trade him to, not because of his religious beliefs, but he has burnt every bridge he has come across - over 3 sports.
Nobody wants to go near him with a 10 foot pole. This is mainly because of him dishonouring contracts whilst signing under-the-table contracts with other people repeatedly. As far as I am aware the religious thing has only come to light in the past few years, there is also a prominent pro-gay activist in the team called David Pocock who put aside his differences to have him in the team. He is also a Christian.

Pocock is also one of the most visible campaigners in professional sports in Australia against homophobia, actively taking a stand both on and off the field.[15]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Pocock
 

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I wrote another post to Pete after the last one.
There is nobody to trade him to, not because of his religious beliefs, but he has burnt every bridge he has come across - over 3 sports.
Nobody wants to go near him with a 10 foot pole. This is mainly because of him dishonouring contracts whilst signing under-the-table contracts with other people repeatedly. As far as I am aware the religious thing has only come to light in the past few years, there is also a prominent pro-gay activist in the team called David Pocock who put aside his differences to have him in the team. He is also a Christian.

Pocock is also one of the most visible campaigners in professional sports in Australia against homophobia, actively taking a stand both on and off the field.[15]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Pocock
David Popcock (couldn't resist, sorry) needs some help with his Bible verses, then, and this Israel guy might be just what he needs.
 
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I know he has a contract and certain standards to uphold but this is basically sacking someone for simply repeating what their religion quite clearly states. So as long as books like the Bible or Koran, which couldn't be more clear on this issue, are not banned under all these hate speech laws, then I don't see how you can take action against someone for something like this.

Plus World Rugby holds the Dubai Sevens every year in a country where homosexuality is illegal and I've never seen or heard a single objection to that. In fact a lot of people from the rugby fraternity currently on Falau's back (and Billy Vunipola's for defending him) attend and support this tournament so they clearly can't be that bothered about homophobia.

I think truth be told is Aussie Rugby have thrown him under the bus because he's a pain in the arse and is going to fuck off the France anyway so doing it this way gets them to morally postulate and suppress the chances of a backlash.
 
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So, Israel Falau is a (very good) rugby/rugby league player, and a known Bronze Age cretin.

He has a history of making anti-gay social media posts. He's been warned about this a few times, that sponsors don't like it, that it's not a good look etc. He keeps on doing it, because Jeebus.

"On Wednesday night Folau posted to his Instagram account that: "hell awaits drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolators" — adding they should "repent".

As a result his future in rugby seemed to be over, with Rugby Australia confirming as much after talks later in the week. In a new interview, Folau said what becomes of his rugby career was now purely God's will.

"It's obviously a decision that's in the process right now but I believe in a God that's in control of all things," Folau told the Sydney Morning Herald.

"Whatever His will is, whether that's to continue playing or not, I'm more than happy to do what He wants me to do."

Folau said he would not mind one bit if his rugby career was done as long as he got to do The Lord's work.

"First and foremost, I live for God now. Whatever He wants me to do, I believe His plans for me are better than whatever I can think. If that's not to continue on playing, so be it.

"In saying that, obviously I love playing footy and if it goes down that path I'll definitely miss it. But my faith in Jesus Christ is what comes first."


Rugby Australia:

"NSW Rugby Union has stood down Israel Folau from all player duties with the NSW Waratahs until further notice." RA and NSW Rugby had on Thursday night said Castle had been unable to "directly contact" Folau to advise him of her intention to terminate his $4 million four- year contract.

Castle later took to Twitter to clarify that she'd been in "in constant contact" with Folau's manager Isaac Moses in the 24 hours since his latest social media attacks on homosexuals as well as "drunks, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolaters", who Folau said were all destined for hell.

"He (Moses) did reach Israel, however I was unable to speak with him," Castle tweeted.

"In the absence of compelling mitigating factors, it is our intention to terminate his contract." Beyond his fierce commitment to his faith, it remains a mystery as to what had motivated Folau to continue his social media outbursts after being warned last year to express his views in a "respectful" manner.










Thoughts?

I'm kind of torn. On one hand, fuck him and his stupid primitive fairy tales. On the other, his views are not illegal and he is entitled to think what he likes. On the third hand, he has gone out of his way several times to go on social media and peach about how God hates gay people. So it's not like he's getting sacked for a first offence. Don't know what stance to take on this one, to be honest. :conf

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Wonder what would have happened to him had he been any religion other than Christian/Mormon. Like the other big religion who's laws have seeped deep into certain countries legal systems that also not only accept but condone stoning, throwing off of buildings and generally murdering gays in the name of God. Legally.
 
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So, Israel Falau is a (very good) rugby/rugby league player, and a known Bronze Age cretin.

He has a history of making anti-gay social media posts. He's been warned about this a few times, that sponsors don't like it, that it's not a good look etc. He keeps on doing it, because Jeebus.

"On Wednesday night Folau posted to his Instagram account that: "hell awaits drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolators" — adding they should "repent".

As a result his future in rugby seemed to be over, with Rugby Australia confirming as much after talks later in the week. In a new interview, Folau said what becomes of his rugby career was now purely God's will.

"It's obviously a decision that's in the process right now but I believe in a God that's in control of all things," Folau told the Sydney Morning Herald.

"Whatever His will is, whether that's to continue playing or not, I'm more than happy to do what He wants me to do."

Folau said he would not mind one bit if his rugby career was done as long as he got to do The Lord's work.

"First and foremost, I live for God now. Whatever He wants me to do, I believe His plans for me are better than whatever I can think. If that's not to continue on playing, so be it.

"In saying that, obviously I love playing footy and if it goes down that path I'll definitely miss it. But my faith in Jesus Christ is what comes first."


Rugby Australia:

"NSW Rugby Union has stood down Israel Folau from all player duties with the NSW Waratahs until further notice." RA and NSW Rugby had on Thursday night said Castle had been unable to "directly contact" Folau to advise him of her intention to terminate his $4 million four- year contract.

Castle later took to Twitter to clarify that she'd been in "in constant contact" with Folau's manager Isaac Moses in the 24 hours since his latest social media attacks on homosexuals as well as "drunks, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolaters", who Folau said were all destined for hell.

"He (Moses) did reach Israel, however I was unable to speak with him," Castle tweeted.

"In the absence of compelling mitigating factors, it is our intention to terminate his contract." Beyond his fierce commitment to his faith, it remains a mystery as to what had motivated Folau to continue his social media outbursts after being warned last year to express his views in a "respectful" manner.










Thoughts?

I'm kind of torn. On one hand, fuck him and his stupid primitive fairy tales. On the other, his views are not illegal and he is entitled to think what he likes. On the third hand, he has gone out of his way several times to go on social media and peach about how God hates gay people. So it's not like he's getting sacked for a first offence. Don't know what stance to take on this one, to be honest. :conf

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I think people should be allowed to have an opinion.
 
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I think people should be allowed to have an opinion.
So do I but is condemning someone to hell an opinion? Or for that matter his own opinion?
The part of his book that condemns gays also condemns tattoos but he is covered in them. That’s what makes him a hypocrite and they are destined for the same place as the fornicators and the liars.
 

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So do I but is condemning someone to hell an opinion? Or for that matter his own opinion?
The part of his book that condemns gays also condemns tattoos but he is covered in them. That’s what makes him a hypocrite and they are destined for the same place as the fornicators and the liars.
Hmm... I believe the verse you are referring to is referencing occult 'markings'... pagan practices common to Canaanites at the time, but point taken.
 
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Wonder what would have happened to him had he been any religion other than Christian/Mormon. Like the other big religion who's laws have seeped deep into certain countries legal systems that also not only accept but condone stoning, throwing off of buildings and generally murdering gays in the name of God. Legally.
If you quote your own religion on social media you are fine, if you quote someone else’s religion you get banned.
 

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He neglected to mention murderers, rapists, pedos and people who drive under the speed limit in the fast lane.

Also, it’s absolutely a conscious choice for gays to fuck each other’s asses and suck dicks. It may not be their choice to be attracted to that sort of disgusting behavior, but it is a choice for them to participate, just like the drunk hitting the bottle or the thief stealing or the adulterer sleeping around on his wife.


That “kind of disgusting behaviour “ doesn’t have to have anything to do with people being gay, the primary focus is love & relationships for most people, the whole disgust thing is mostly in people like your mind that become obsessed with certain sex acts, as far as people like you are concerned gay people are ultimately defined by what they do behind closed doors
 

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I’ve got a feeling (don’t quote me) that he wants to become a minister and head back to the Pacific Islands to preach. I’ve been told that some of the islands lean towards Mormon. That’s not a typo either, mor-mon.


He was Mormon, I don’t think he is anymore, he seems to be a member of some new age evangelical mob of fuckwits, but you’re right in suggesting that the islanders are mostly all into their religion, you generally find that Samoan bouncers are capable of ripping your ears off & stomping you half to death in the name of Jesus Christ.......Amen
 
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I wrote another post to Pete after the last one.
There is nobody to trade him to, not because of his religious beliefs, but he has burnt every bridge he has come across - over 3 sports.
Nobody wants to go near him with a 10 foot pole. This is mainly because of him dishonouring contracts whilst signing under-the-table contracts with other people repeatedly. As far as I am aware the religious thing has only come to light in the past few years, there is also a prominent pro-gay activist in the team called David Pocock who put aside his differences to have him in the team. He is also a Christian.

Pocock is also one of the most visible campaigners in professional sports in Australia against homophobia, actively taking a stand both on and off the field.[15]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Pocock


I don’t know that Pocock is any way visibly Christian, I’m not sure of his beliefs, but I’ve never heard him talk sky fairies
 
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WaltzingMatilda

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I know he has a contract and certain standards to uphold but this is basically sacking someone for simply repeating what their religion quite clearly states. So as long as books like the Bible or Koran, which couldn't be more clear on this issue, are not banned under all these hate speech laws, then I don't see how you can take action against someone for something like this.

Plus World Rugby holds the Dubai Sevens every year in a country where homosexuality is illegal and I've never seen or heard a single objection to that. In fact a lot of people from the rugby fraternity currently on Falau's back (and Billy Vunipola's for defending him) attend and support this tournament so they clearly can't be that bothered about homophobia.

I think truth be told is Aussie Rugby have thrown him under the bus because he's a pain in the arse and is going to fuck off the France anyway so doing it this way gets them to morally postulate and suppress the chances of a backlash.


You have to understand the Australian sporting landscape, there are four main “football” codes, they are all very elite & need a lot of money to exist, whereas corporate partnerships aren’t that easy to come by, we’ve had numerous fuckups from high profile players across all the codes lately with sponsors pulling out left, right & centre, the sports really do have to protect their brand & their “corporate partners” brand

Rugby is at the bottom of this sporting pecking order, although it does have a high profile international profile, a big multi national sponsor like Qantas is a good fit, the national carrier for the national Rugby team, their values & actions should mirror each other, Qantas projects themselves as being completely inclusive regardless of nationality & sexuality, religion etc,
When you see the interaction between the two entities these days, the team & the sponsor, there really is a massive push to promote the synergy of the two, so this bloke really does become untenable & as others have said, there really are very few sporting organisations that would be willing to go anywhere near him now, sponsorship & image are far too important