Australian rugby star/known moron again tells everyone that Jesus says gay people are going to hell.

steviebruno

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I believe we have reached an impasse, Stevie, and are talking pst each other at this point.

We each believe that the other has " missed the point."

So be it.

Maybe we'll have more common ground on a boxing or tennis topic.


Hopefully...oops again...I hope you don't put too much credence into that remark from that witless twit above.

If memory serves, you've had sufficient interaction with him over the years to come to your own assessment of what he's about.
You were labeled as a racist; how do you feel about that?

I agree that we've reached an impasse. I believe that there is no true universal definition for the term homophobe, you seem to believe there is. I wonder if you consider Israel Folau a homophobe, but I don't care, as I have already made my point that some clearly do... despite the fact that he has not expressed any fear, hate, or aversion to gays, nor has he expressed a desire to beat anyone up.

A true Christian is supposed to hate the sin, not the sinner. If one hates and condemns the choices that someone makes, that does not -in an of itself- make one prejudiced against another.

Interestingly, you just called @DBerry's best friend a witless twit... and he liked your post.
 

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You were labeled as a racist; how do you feel about that?

I agree that we've reached an impasse. I believe that there is no true universal definition for the term homophobe, you seem to believe there is. I wonder if you consider Israel Folau a homophobe, but I don't care, as I have already made my point that some clearly do... despite the fact that he has not expressed any fear, hate, or aversion to gays, nor has he expressed a desire to beat anyone up.

A true Christian is supposed to hate the sin, not the sinner. If one hates and condemns the choices that someone makes, that does not -in an of itself- make one prejudiced against another.

Interestingly, you just called @DBerry's best friend a witless twit... and he liked your post.

Regarding the first part, I believe, as I mentioned in my last post, that you are very familiar with that labeler and his own attitudes on race. I recall a number of exchanges you two had that should have made things pretty clear.
I feel a little amused, actually, having marched in civil rights marches inspired by MLK in the late sixties.

It's like my earlier examples where someone could be slurred as a liar ( or a homophobe) incorrectly.

You and I have had a fair number of exchanges on a wide range of topics and you should have some sense of the veracity or falsity of the label.


Regarding Mr. Folau, I don't believe I weighed in yet on whether or not he is a homophobe. Truth is, I can't say. The evidence is not conclusive.

He may, like yourself, be merely expressing his religious convictions or his disapproval of the behaviour. I would need to know more about him before deciding.

Whether he is or not, undoubtedly some folks are.

Yes, the nuns used to emphasize to us over and over that God hates the sin but loves the sinner. In real life, however, the two are often difficult to separate, especially for those who not quite at God-like levels of sophistication.
 

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It's just flat out wrong on so many levels. You are really not worth any more of my time, though. Become a serious poster, as opposed to being an unfunny troll, and we can talk a bit more in the future.


Ahhh I see, a religious snob

If you had it your way, you’d have me stoned to death for my views or crucified
You’re one of those blokes who thinks that only your interpretation is right
Well I’m sorry mate but it belongs to us all & I can interpret it any way I like & I like to minimise the hate & hurt on innocent people who don’t fit into other religious nut jobs flawed interpretations
 

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Regarding the first part, I believe, as I mentioned in my last post, that you are very familiar with that labeler and his own attitudes on race. I recall a number of exchanges you two had that should have made things pretty clear.
I feel a little amused, actually, having marched in civil rights marches inspired by MLK in the late sixties.

It's like my earlier examples where someone could be slurred as a liar ( or a homophobe) incorrectly.

You and I have had a fair number of exchanges on a wide range of topics and you should have some sense of the veracity or falsity of the label.


Regarding Mr. Folau, I don't believe I weighed in yet on whether or not he is a homophobe. Truth is, I can't say. The evidence is not conclusive.

He may, like yourself, be merely expressing his religious convictions or his disapproval of the behaviour. I would need to know more about him before deciding.

Whether he is or not, undoubtedly some folks are.

Yes, the nuns used to emphasize to us over and over that God hates the sin but loves the sinner. In real life, however, the two are often difficult to separate, especially for those who not quite at God-like levels of sophistication.


Hey paddy old son

Just wondering, because Stevie won’t tell me, you say that Jesus hates the sin but loves the sinner, what is this sin?

Laying with another man?
I can’t even begin to imagine all these pious, insular christians trying to interpret that
The pictures they form in their heads would be hilarious

Anyway, I think your argument was better
 

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Why is it so important to some that those who choose to discriminate against and harass get the green light to do so?


They think it’s a freedom of speech issue
They imagine Israel Folau standing up for their freedom of speech & attacking the modern day PC culture, yep, he’s their poster boy for free speech, it’s hilarious
 
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Regarding the first part, I believe, as I mentioned in my last post, that you are very familiar with that labeler and his own attitudes on race. I recall a number of exchanges you two had that should have made things pretty clear.
I feel a little amused, actually, having marched in civil rights marches inspired by MLK in the late sixties.

It's like my earlier examples where someone could be slurred as a liar ( or a homophobe) incorrectly.

You and I have had a fair number of exchanges on a wide range of topics and you should have some sense of the veracity or falsity of the label.


Regarding Mr. Folau, I don't believe I weighed in yet on whether or not he is a homophobe. Truth is, I can't say. The evidence is not conclusive.

He may, like yourself, be merely expressing his religious convictions or his disapproval of the behaviour. I would need to know more about him before deciding.

Whether he is or not, undoubtedly some folks are.

Yes, the nuns used to emphasize to us over and over that God hates the sin but loves the sinner. In real life, however, the two are often difficult to separate, especially for those who not quite at God-like levels of sophistication.
Remember when you used the example of the "big black man" because you considered it to be the ultimate insult. And then you had a meltdown because you were called out on being a racist. The internet never forgets.

I've no doubt MLK inspired you to go out and march during the 60s

 
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WaltzingMatilda

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Remember when you used the example of the "big black man" because you considered it to be the ultimate insult. And then you had a meltdown because you were called out on being a racist. The internet never forgets.

I've no doubt MLK inspired you to go out and march during the 60s




Now now vino, stop being nasty
 

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Remember when you used the example of the "big black man" because you considered it to be the ultimate insult.

It was the ultimate insult to someone with your attitude to blacks.

That's why the other examples were Croats and Muslims, two more groups that give you the shivers.

But of course you already know this, dimwit !



Enough with your family pics, Cucko.
Nobody wants to see your granddaddy in his heyday.
 

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Hey paddy old son

Just wondering, because Stevie won’t tell me, you say that Jesus hates the sin but loves the sinner, what is this sin?
I couldn't tell you.

It's not my thing, but I wouldn't judge it a sin.

And as far as I know, the late, great JC never uttered a word on the subject.
 
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They think it’s a freedom of speech issue
They imagine Israel Folau standing up for their freedom of speech & attacking the modern day PC culture, yep, he’s their poster boy for free speech, it’s hilarious
Absolute freedom of speech represents a green light for those who feel inclined to discriminate against and harass people. Some of whom are soft targets and likely to suffer as a result. Is that what we want as a society?
 
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steviebruno

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Ahhh I see, a religious snob

If you had it your way, you’d have me stoned to death for my views or crucified
You’re one of those blokes who thinks that only your interpretation is right
Well I’m sorry mate but it belongs to us all & I can interpret it any way I like & I like to minimise the hate & hurt on innocent people who don’t fit into other religious nut jobs flawed interpretations
Pretty sure that if someone threw a stone at your head, the stone would crumble like Drake's coffee cakes...
 

steviebruno

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Why is it so important to some that those who choose to discriminate against and harass get the green light to do so?
Is this question directed at me, or are you just thinking to yourself?

It is always far more meaningful to challenge someone's ideas than to simply label them with a poorly defined term. It is always more productive to engage someone intelligently and open their minds ... than to group them with abusers, murderers, etc. and forever close them off to discussing the issue.

How far does MLK get if he just ran around calling everyone who didn't share his beliefs a 'racist'?
 

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I couldn't tell you.

It's not my thing, but I wouldn't judge it a sin.

And as far as I know, the late, great JC never uttered a word on the subject.
Matthew 19:4-6

Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said for this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.

Christ is talking about the very institution of marriage here. Man can keep coming up with ways to destroy the institution of marraige (affairs, divorces, neglect, outright lies regarding scripture, etc.) but the scripture is unwavering. Morever, the nature of Christ, who the Bible identifies as having existed from the beginning, is in line with the nature of the God who had already condemned homosexuality...

Hebrews 13:8

Jesus Christ the same YESTERDAY, and TODAY, and FOREVER.

The Bible is unequivocally clear as to what it defines marriage is. Homosexuality IS A SIN. But is no greater a sin than adultery, fornication, or other consensual acts of sexual immorality.

If you'd have searched for the answer you'd have found it... but some seeds fall in with the thorns, and get choked away, becoming unfruitful...
 
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WaltzingMatilda

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Absolute freedom of speech represents a green light for those who feel inclined to discriminate against and harass people. Some of whom are soft targets and likely to suffer as a result. Is that what we want as a society?


Yep, this has obviously been put forward to these idiots

They hear the term “freedom of speech” and expect that it is just their absolute right without understanding the responsibility & maturity that must be used & don’t understand the consequences of their actions
 

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Matthew 19:4-6

Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said for this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.

Christ is talking about the very institution of marriage here. Man can keep coming up with ways to destroy the institution of marraige (affairs, divorces, neglect, outright lies regarding scripture, etc.) but the scripture is unwavering. Morever, the nature of Christ, who the Bible identifies as having existed from the beginning, is in line with the nature of the God who had already condemned homosexuality...

Hebrews 13:8

Jesus Christ the same YESTERDAY, and TODAY, and FOREVER.

The Bible is unequivocally clear as to what it defines marriage is. Homosexuality IS A SIN. But is no greater a sin than adultery, fornication, or other consensual acts of sexual immorality.

If you'd have searched for the answer you'd have found it... but some seeds fall in with the thorns, and get choked away, becoming unfruitful...



But exactly what part of homosexuality is a sin? Given that Jesus loves the sinner but hates the sin?

Is it love? Is love a sin?