Ben Davidson post Wallin, looks like BJS is back with Ingle now as well....

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I think big John sums up what lost of us have suspected. Ben is a boxercise coach and is there to let fury get away with murder:

"It's the worst I've seen from Tyson," said John Fury. "

"His strength and power went tonight, he was as weak as a kitten from the first round. At 18 stone 1, I've warned him and warned him. He is a 19-stone fighter.

"If I had my way, the lot [Tyson's team] would be gone. If they keep that team that will be his career [gone]."

"For Tyson to box like that from the off, I knew there was a problem. There was no snap to the punches, he lost his shape, the power was not there, his feet were coming together, it was an untidy effort.

"His will to win is unprecedented but he made hard work of it from the off. How does a man like Otto Wallin, with limited ability, get that close with a piercing jab.

"Tyson got cut, he thought he was on borrowed time and against anyone else he probably would've got knocked out - there was nothing right about it."

On the two cuts around the right eye, John Fury adds: "An injury like that could finish a career, he might need surgery on that."
 
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"At 18 stone 1, I've warned him and warned him. He is a 19-stone fighter. "

Got to agree with him here, as good as it must feel for Tyson to be losing all this weight, he's getting close to the skinny stage now... might be time to lay off that Keto and get a bit more rice and pasta in him. He's never been some naturally hard puncher, like a Wilder, he always struck me as needing that weight behind his punch to make them effective.

Credit to Ben Davidson for getting him to where he is, I like him but I just don't know if their heading in the right direction. Stay in the States and get some top class training and nutrition guys working with him.
 
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Tyson Fury said that he saw "fear" and "a scared man" when he looked in the eyes of world champion Wladimir Klitschko at today's weigh in in Essen.
Fury weighed 17st 8 lbs and Klitschko 17st 7lbs.
"I've come in light because light means speed and speed means power - expect an explosive fight," said Fury.
"We re very happy with how Tyson looks and feels - tactically this is a complicated fight," added trainer Peter Fury.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/boxing/12020272/Wladimir-Klitschko-vs-Tyson-Fury-weigh-in-live.html
 

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For a guy whose only meaningful wins are Wlad and Del Boy Tyson's done all right.

Ben has yet to steer him to a win in a significant fight..
 
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For a guy whose only meaningful wins are Wlad and Del Boy Tyson's done all right.

Ben has yet to steer him to a win in a significant fight..

Not fair, he practically won wilder fight, and if he had listened to Ben and got on his toes in round 12 and saw it out he would have got the win officially.

Part of the problem is fighting guys like Schwarts and Wallin, Fury needs fear factor to be at his best, I don't think Wallin gave fury any fear really before the fight. Tyson is not a guy you stick in showcases, he is not a quick knockout guy a la Joshua or Wilder. Obviously Wallin was underestimated by everyone, and will be interesting to see if he can establish himself as a top 10 HW now on the back of that performance
 
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Tyson Fury said that he saw "fear" and "a scared man" when he looked in the eyes of world champion Wladimir Klitschko at today's weigh in in Essen.
Fury weighed 17st 8 lbs and Klitschko 17st 7lbs.
"I've come in light because light means speed and speed means power - expect an explosive fight," said Fury.
"We re very happy with how Tyson looks and feels - tactically this is a complicated fight," added trainer Peter Fury.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/boxing/12020272/Wladimir-Klitschko-vs-Tyson-Fury-weigh-in-live.html
If the Fury's did actually live in a caravan, it would be so full of shit it would topple over.
 
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behind all of this im still not actually convinced wilder is any good other than his KO power, and thats the fight that seems to be defining fury right now. he looked fucking awful against 65 year old off the peds ortiz. maybe wlder, aj and fury just aint that good at all. the best of a bad bunch, but still pretty shite in historical terms.
 

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No one ever seems to do better leaving the Ingles, certainly not in recent years.

Towers left & got flattened, Gill left & got battered by an unheralded Mexican, Brook looked awful & came back, Saunders didn’t box as well & seems to have come back.

Adam Etches wasn’t much good anyway but looked worse after leaving. Ajisafe struggled after leaving. Adams left & has come back.

Williams looks a lot better there as well.

Did a very impressive tactical job with Galahad who was a heavy underdog against Warrington.

Looking forward to what they do with Ngabu against Okolie.

I don’t know why fighters leave them, never seems to work out
 
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John Fury''s outbursts about Davidson say it all, this is the 2nd time big John has gone rogue about Davidson.

Isaac Lowe turning up to camp out of shape as well - showing a clear lack of respect.
 

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What utter shite.

This fight was perfectly reflective of Fury's career, fighting down to his opposition and prone to looking like shit in comparison to his peak form.

His inability to KO Wilder had nothing to do with how much he weighed, he's 18 stone, he's carrying enough weight to knock out a much smaller man who is chinny as it is. He was throwing arm punches and not sitting down on his shots consistently enough when it mattered. I mean he still hurt Wilder with any weighed shot he landed, but it's going to take more than one and he needs to be more aggresive once he has him backing up. Fury is an excellent inside fighter and he's up against a much small fighter who isn't, he needs to make use of that. Wilder can't generate the same amount of power with his back on the ropes and his opponent right in his face either.

Ben Davison is no boxercise coach it's clear listening to him speak and break stuff down that he has a very good understanding of the game. He was shown a clip of Khan getting knocked out and broke down his tendencies to sweep his back leg round which shifts his weight forward on to his left shoulder, which is much better analysis then you usually hear from pundits and trainers. Everything I've heard from him in regards to how Tyson should fight etc has been bang on, no reason at all to fault him so far.
 
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What utter shite.

This fight was perfectly reflective of Fury's career, fighting down to his opposition and prone to looking like shit in comparison to his peak form.

His inability to KO Wilder had nothing to do with how much he weighed, he's 18 stone, he's carrying enough weight to knock out a much smaller man who is chinny as it is. He was throwing arm punches and not sitting down on his shots consistently enough when it mattered. I mean he still hurt Wilder with any weighed shot he landed, but it's going to take more than one and he needs to be more aggresive once he has him backing up. Fury is an excellent inside fighter and he's up against a much small fighter who isn't, he needs to make use of that. Wilder can't generate the same amount of power with his back on the ropes and his opponent right in his face either.

Ben Davison is no boxercise coach it's clear listening to him speak and break stuff down that he has a very good understanding of the game. He was shown a clip of Khan getting knocked out and broke down his tendencies to sweep his back leg round which shifts his weight forward on to his left shoulder, which is much better analysis then you usually hear from pundits and trainers. Everything I've heard from him in regards to how Tyson should fight etc has been bang on, no reason at all to fault him so far.
I don't think I have ever agreed with you before haha but honestly it's nice to hear someone talking sense about this situation and not following the knee jerk reaction of others.

If Davidson gets the blame for Saturday then he gets the praise for all of Tysons comeback including the Wilder performance.