Billy Joe Saunders (WBO) vs. Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez

Saunders vs. Canelo Winner and How?


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Joshua vs Dillian Whyte 2. Whyte had AJ on wobbly legs in the first fight when he was basically a novice. Do you think Whyte has improved enough to beat AJ in a second fight?
Probably not. I'd pick Joshua in a rematch but I think Whyte would be a very live opponent especially as he is able to get under Joshua's skin.
 
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I disagree cutting off the ring and blocking a fighters escape roots and following a fighter around are two different things.

Cutting off the ring is what Chavez snr used to do. It is something that Canelo has not fully mastered.

He plodded around against Mayweather, showed some improvement against, Lara..Regressed against Khan who jabbed and ran like there was no tomorrow.

By the time Canelo gets in a position to cut of the ring against Saunders he will already be gone.


I think Canelo is good at cutting off escape routes look at how he finished Kovalev, look at how he hurt Lara. He did follow Khan, but I don't think he ever felt threatened by Khan so he was happy to follow and look for a big shot. Also Khan is much faster than any SMW.

Here is the thing, Canelo is such an elite boxer I don't think he needs to master cutting the ring off, and I don't think it will be as important in this fight as you think. I don't think Billy Joe will get the better of Canelo in a boxing match, he won't be able to outbox Canelo or outfight him. I don't really see Billy having the tools to win
 
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I disagree cutting off the ring and blocking a fighters escape roots and following a fighter around are two different things.

Cutting off the ring is what Chavez snr used to do. It is something that Canelo has not fully mastered.

He plodded around against Mayweather, showed some improvement against, Lara..Regressed against Khan who jabbed and ran like there was no tomorrow.

By the time Canelo gets in a position to cut of the ring against Saunders he will already be gone.


I think Canelo is good at cutting off escape routes look at how he finished Kovalev, look at how he hurt Lara. He did follow Khan, but I don't think he ever felt threatened by Khan so he was happy to follow and look for a big shot. Also Khan is much faster than any SMW.

Here is the thing, Canelo is such an elite boxer I don't think he needs to master cutting the ring off, and I don't think it will be as important in this fight as you think. I don't think Billy Joe will get the better of Canelo in a boxing match, he won't be able to outbox Canelo or outfight him. I don't really see Billy having the tools to win
 
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I think Canelo is good at cutting off escape routes look at how he finished Kovalev, look at how he hurt Lara. He did follow Khan, but I don't think he ever felt threatened by Khan so he was happy to follow and look for a big shot. Also Khan is much faster than any SMW.

Here is the thing, Canelo is such an elite boxer I don't think he needs to master cutting the ring off, and I don't think it will be as important in this fight as you think. I don't think Billy Joe will get the better of Canelo in a boxing match, he won't be able to outbox Canelo or outfight him. I don't really see Billy having the tools to win
Lara did not run, he was using calculated movement and consistently setting his feet to let his own punches go.

Saunders is going to be jabbing and running like Khan. By the time Ginger gets in position to land BJ is gonna be gone.

With that type of strategy even if Saunders loses on the scorecard he will come out the moral victor. With fans decrying biased judging.

Saunders can and will outbox him. In the earlier rounds ,He is the better boxer. Whether he can maintain it for the full twelve remains to be seen.
 
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Going for BJS points easily.

Cant believe team Smith. Wtf are they playing at.

Turning down Canelo. They have no plan B a fight with Canelo would have put Smith on the world map. Ryder 2 rematch is only viable option.
 
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Lara did not run, he was using calculated movement and consistently setting his feet to let his own punches go.

Saunders is going to be jabbing and running like Khan. By the time Ginger gets in position to land BJ is gonna be gone.

With that type of strategy even if Saunders loses on the scorecard he will come out the moral victor. With fans decrying biased judging.

Saunders can and will outbox him. In the earlier rounds ,He is the better boxer. Whether he can maintain it for the full twelve remains to be seen.

Lara was,for the first few rounds until Canelo started timing him, applying pressure and working his body, Lara was then on the retreat for most of the fight after round 4. It is easy to point out moments in fights when guys have had success against Canelo, Cotto won rounds, Lara won rounds, Jacobs won rounds and so did Kovalev, all boxing Canelo. But Canelo made adjustments in all those fights and won more rounds. Those fighters in my opinion are all better than Billy Joe, and Canelo has gotten better since has has faced them. Billy Joe can have some success in the first half of the fight with his style and movement, but he will not be good enough to shut Canelo down and keep adjusting to stay one step ahead of Canelo (only Mayweather has achieved this against a young and inexperienced Canelo at 152 catchweight).

I definitely disagree that Billy Joe is a better boxer. Quicker feet and better lateral movement does not equal greater boxing skills, Canelo is the more complete fighter all around.
 
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Never for the life of me understood people who mock Saunders resume

Andy Lee
David Lemieux
Chris Eubank Jr
Willie Monroe Jr
John Ryder
Spike O'Sullivan
Matthew Hall
Jarrod Fletcher

Hardly the bum of the month club
 
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Lara was,for the first few rounds until Canelo started timing him, applying pressure and working his body, Lara was then on the retreat for most of the fight after round 4. It is easy to point out moments in fights when guys have had success against Canelo, Cotto won rounds, Lara won rounds, Jacobs won rounds and so did Kovalev, all boxing Canelo. But Canelo made adjustments in all those fights and won more rounds. Those fighters in my opinion are all better than Billy Joe, and Canelo has gotten better since has has faced them. Billy Joe can have some success in the first half of the fight with his style and movement, but he will not be good enough to shut Canelo down and keep adjusting to stay one step ahead of Canelo (only Mayweather has achieved this against a young and inexperienced Canelo at 152 catchweight).

I definitely disagree that Billy Joe is a better boxer. Quicker feet and better lateral movement does not equal greater boxing skills, Canelo is the more complete fighter all around.
We will find out on May 2....!
 
Jul 6, 2019
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Never for the life of me understood people who mock Saunders resume

Andy Lee
David Lemieux
Chris Eubank Jr
Willie Monroe Jr
John Ryder
Spike O'Sullivan
Matthew Hall
Jarrod Fletcher

Hardly the bum of the month club
That's pretty solid.

He has signed to fight GGG and Canelo a few times as well. Not his fault they didn't come off.

He's maybe got a touch of the Calzaghe's. Where people overlook the good wins due to the filler fights they have also had.
 
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I think Canelo is good at cutting off escape routes look at how he finished Kovalev, look at how he hurt Lara. He did follow Khan, but I don't think he ever felt threatened by Khan so he was happy to follow and look for a big shot. Also Khan is much faster than any SMW.

Here is the thing, Canelo is such an elite boxer I don't think he needs to master cutting the ring off, and I don't think it will be as important in this fight as you think. I don't think Billy Joe will get the better of Canelo in a boxing match, he won't be able to outbox Canelo or outfight him. I don't really see Billy having the tools to win
Another thing to note is that Saunders often uses the same or similar movements and routes being a southpaw. He’ll look to draw the lead most of the time (or he’ll go first) but then he’ll jab, lean away and go right then look for the straight left and go right again, normally rolling or leaning back. Typical southpaw shit really.

It’s those kind of repeated patterns that Canelo will get a read on when he’s gonna do what, and launch his own counters.

Billy Joe’s best chance at victory may be to take a page out of Fury’s book and be more aggressive? Canelo will hold his feet and look to move his head to avoid Saunders’ punches, so I think he’s got to thrown in clusters of quick sharp punches, fake like he’s moving off to re-set but instead go again. Then other times not and do his usual step in and then around and re-set. Mix it up and frustrate Canelo as best he can.

Be at his most sneaky southpaw best with variety in every single attack and try not to give Canelo a read, whilst taking the fight to him.

It’s certainly a tough gig! Especially considering you could probably shoot Canelo with a magnum and he’d still win a majority decision.
 
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Well this ain't happening now, don't like BJS but gotta feel a little sorry for him this is gonna get snatched away from him by CV. Canelo gonna to GGG III in September. Maybe BJS gets a shot for Cinco de Mayo 21? Maybe they do Smith v BJS in Aug/Sep now?
 
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