Boris v Corbyn

Best PM would be

  • Corbyn

    Votes: 12 44.4%
  • Boris

    Votes: 15 55.6%

  • Total voters
    27

mandela

CHB Führer
May 16, 2013
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cool.

prob i was being a bit ott. you know the 2 party system and that the fact any div can become a career politician both annoy me. those 2 things come together to mean i couldn't vote corbyn or believe in his government, and it's not really his fault. within the context of my low low opinion of modern politicians corbyn is one of the more interesting ones.

i think there are limits to that attitude to binary choices tho.
say you got a bad back, you have the binary choice to have me massage you or get no treatment.
seems simple, but you didn't consider that i'm drunk and using an axe.
Interesting analogy :lol:
 

Dazl1212

Ripley, strong independent woman who don't no man
May 16, 2013
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5,709
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People complain we are stuck with either Labour or The Cons and then vote for them..
 
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thehook13

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May 16, 2013
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Corbyn never gets a fair shake, even if he were to find himself in the most undesirable prime minister role in the world currently the media and elites will only ramp up the Kill Corbyn propaganda machine and destabilize democratic process even further
 

TFG

Jul 23, 2013
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If this isn't an indictment of how fucked we are as a nation I don't know what is.

There's otherwise rational people genuinely claiming that they'd prefer to be Governed by fucking Boris Johnson. Not only is he far worse as an individual, his politics are atrocious, as his parties record of governance.

But aye let me guess, immigrants, Rochdale, SJW's etc... :lol:
 
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Wordup

The Count of Monte Fisto
May 16, 2013
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If this isn't an indictment of how fucked we are as a nation I don't know what is.

There's otherwise rational people genuinely claiming that they'd prefer to be Governed by fucking Boris Johnson. Not only is he far worse as an individual, his politics are atrocious, as his parties record of governance.

But aye let me guess, immigrants, Rochdale, SJW's etc... :lol:
Yeah but Boris is a business Titan, so he’s got to be better than Corbyn.
 

kf3

Jul 17, 2012
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Yeah but Boris is a business Titan, so he’s got to be better than Corbyn.
no one said that.

people have said the reality of the two men's experience levels, but obviously being editor of a newspaper does not make a man a business titan, which is why no one has said that.
 
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TFG

Jul 23, 2013
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no one said that.

people have said the reality of the two men's experience levels, but obviously being editor of a newspaper does not make a man a business titan, which is why no one has said that.
If you want a proper measure of experience and history, why not compare their voting records?
 
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kf3

Jul 17, 2012
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If you want a proper measure of experience and history, why not compare their voting records?
proper? you mean different.

i don't know. seems a reasonable point to make. you need to ask word up why he didn't make that argument.
 

TFG

Jul 23, 2013
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proper? you mean different.

i don't know. seems a reasonable point to make. you need to ask word up why he didn't make that argument.
No, I meant proper. Looking at someone's education and business acumen isn't a good way to judge a potential prime minister.

A look at their voting records over the last 20 years is much more relevant.
 

kf3

Jul 17, 2012
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No, I meant proper. Looking at someone's education and business acumen isn't a good way to judge a potential prime minister.

A look at their voting records over the last 20 years is much more relevant.
experience and education is the first thing you look at when choosing who is best for a job(it's not the only relevant thing and i have never said it is). i honestly don't understand any other view, but you have yours and your reasons for it.

if you want to make that argument about voting and stuff then make it, maybe you will change my mind a bit, and i will not have any issue unless you blatantly lie or pretend that i have said things i haven't.
 
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TFG

Jul 23, 2013
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experience and education is the first thing you look at when choosing who is best for a job. i honestly don't understand any other view, but you have yours and your reasons for it.

if you want to make that argument about voting and stuff then make it, maybe you will change my mind a bit, and i will not have any issue unless you blatantly lie or pretend that i have said things i haven't.
Why would education be more important to being prime minister than your historic voting record in parliament? That's ridiculously backward.

As for experience, they are both politicians. You can look at what respective roles and responsibiltiies they have had, but ultimately if you want to judge what kind of prime minister they would be then voting record tells you a lot more.

For example, Boris could easily claim he has the working man in his interests, but it's his voting record that will give you the best idea of whether that's true.
 
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mandela

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May 16, 2013
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experience and education is the first thing you look at when choosing who is best for a job(it's not the only relevant thing and i have never said it is). i honestly don't understand any other view, but you have yours and your reasons for it.

if you want to make that argument about voting and stuff then make it, maybe you will change my mind a bit, and i will not have any issue unless you blatantly lie or pretend that i have said things i haven't.
TBF, past performance is the usually the first thing you look at and voting history is a key indicator is past performance.
 
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kf3

Jul 17, 2012
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it's a thing we haven't discussed, i have said it is relevant, i said when someone presents the facts i will read it honestly. i can't do much else atm.


away from the specific boris/corbyn. the general idea that government is so different from the private sector that well proven methods of getting the right man for the job are irrelevant seems..... i don't know the word, not exactly wrong or naiive but something in that area. corporations outperform governments consistently, so maybe learning from them wouldn't be the worst thing
 
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mandela

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May 16, 2013
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it's a thing we haven't discussed, i have said it is relevant, i said when someone presents the facts i will read it honestly. i can't do much else atm.


away from the specific boris/corbyn. the general idea that government is so different from the private sector that well proven methods of getting the right man for the job are irrelevant seems..... i don't know the word, not exactly wrong or naiive but something in that area. corporations outperform governments consistently, so maybe learning from them wouldn't be the worst thing
This is a good point, actually.

I've worked in both (public as a contractor though - I wasn't actually employed by them) and the biggest difference is the mentality driven by accountability. In private business there's clear accountability the owner(s)/shareholders and failure to meet expectations has extreme consequences. this comes straight from the top and is applied downwards by every level of management. In my experience, it was kinda more relaxed in the public sector. The objective isn't to make as much money as possible and the only accountability is to people (usually senior civil servants) who have very different and often competing priorities.

So whilst i don;t think a direct comparison of the effectiveness of private v public performance is entirely appropriate there is certainly lessons to be learned by the public sector from the private sector, particularly in things like process optimization and ultimate accountability with associated consequences.
 

Wordup

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Jack

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Jul 29, 2012
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A man that has spent his entire career as a politician trying to do the right thing
And this is the problem.

People think that Corbyn is flawed but morally right. They think that he might be a bit soft on a few things but that his heart is in the right place, that he genuinely cares. It's so wrong, it's unbelievable, yet people believe it.

Just out of interest, do you think that Corbyn was trying to 'do the right thing' when he was trying to get two striking workers freed from prison after they dropped a huge slab of concrete onto a taxi that was carrying a worker beyond the picket lines, committing brutal murder?
 
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