Boris v Corbyn

Best PM would be

  • Corbyn

    Votes: 12 44.4%
  • Boris

    Votes: 15 55.6%

  • Total voters
    27

Clarence Worley

leaner than mandy...
Nov 19, 2018
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So after we've finished this official negotiating period, that's when we will actually negotiate a deal with the EU? :lol:

Aye I can really see that playing out. There's no individual negotiations to be played out with member states, it all goes through the EU. If we leave without a deal, we will be getting no deal with them for the foreseeable future.

Funny that, because Farage, Boris etc all said that would be a disastrous outcome before the vote.
There have been no negotiations whatsoever. May agreed to the sequencing and every other demand. She achieved nothing as she doesn’t want to leave.

Absolute rubbish to suggest a deal wouldn’t be done quickly. What the fuck are they gonna do with all the three pronged plugs, right hand drive cars and without them 2nd biggest market? The euro collapses, they face 500bn loses and we get to talk past the Eu to real democracies feeling real effects with real elections to face.

No deal is not no deal forever. It’s quite obvious
 

TFG

Jul 23, 2013
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Little England? No no no I’m clearly advocating global Britain (inc Scotland).

Quite obviously remainders have cucked one sided relationships where no manner of abuse can lead to walking away. Even when it’s obvious we stand to gain and they stand to lose magnitudes more.

I’m also 88kg no Mandy so piss off. Perfect bmi
Are you still with that Romanian bird?
 

Dazl1212

Ripley, strong independent woman who don't no man
May 16, 2013
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Because you're fixated on talking about politicians, I'm not. I'm talking about your belief that the left wing population of this country have moral superiority over the right leaning people, a completely ridiculous statement. People always think that the class divide comes from the top in this country but there is far more resentment of the wealthy in traditionally left wing working class towns than I've ever experienced from wealtier, traditionally right wing areas. Snobbery is far less of an issue than the resentment for those who have wealth.
This question is complicated by the fact that not many people actually know what left and wight wing is.

Nowadays anyone against mass immigration is lumped in the right wing camp by people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
 
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Ernest Shackleton

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Jun 8, 2013
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Of course people who are genuinely left will care more about the average person, that's why they are left wing ffs, what a ridiculous statement :lol:
Strangely deluded thing to write. Anyone who has read the works of Haidt would know that is possibly one of the biggest loads of crap to have ever been typed on here.
 
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TFG

Jul 23, 2013
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Strangely deluded thing to write. Anyone who has read the works of Haidt would know that is possibly one of the biggest loads of crap to have ever been typed on here.
Maybe you just misunderstand what a genuine right wing person looks like in terms of political outlook. The average person refers to the 99%, genuine right wing politicians or ordinary people care less about these people than genuine left wing politicians or ordinary people. Are you actually debating that?

As already discussed, Corbyn v Boris is a great barometer.

Who do you think has the better moral compass?
 

Ernest Shackleton

Moderate Assadist
Jun 8, 2013
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Maybe you just misunderstand what a genuine right wing person looks like in terms of political outlook. The average person refers to the 99%, genuine right wing politicians or ordinary people care less about these people than genuine left wing politicians or ordinary people. Are you actually debating that?

As already discussed, Corbyn v Boris is a great barometer.

Who do you think has the better moral compass?
I’m going to park foreign affairs as I don’t know enough of Johnson’s views. But I suspect I would be with Corbyn.

But on domestic affairs Johnson is pretty clear he wants the state out of your life, I refer to his view on the burka, sugar tax etc, whereas Corbyn would want state interference. Therefore domestically morally Johnson is way ahead.
 

TFG

Jul 23, 2013
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I’m going to park foreign affairs as I don’t know enough of Johnson’s views. But I suspect I would be with Corbyn.

But on domestic affairs Johnson is pretty clear he wants the state out of your life, I refer to his view on the burka, sugar tax etc, whereas Corbyn would want state interference. Therefore domestically morally Johnson is way ahead.
You seem to be implying that state intefrence is inherently immoral, and you've excluded way too much information there to claim that domestically Johnson is 'way ahead'. State interference, particularly in regards to social support is a fundamental part of social democracy which I believe you are a supporter of.

My initial statement was not that of morality, it was an assessment of who they care most about, the average person, or the business, the 1% etc, whos going to be looking at for who.

Domestically, Johnson is still appalling, as can be seen by his record on benefits, disability rights, the environment etc.

It's very easy to work out from his voting record that cares much less about the average working man than Corbyn does.
 

Jack

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Jul 29, 2012
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Do you disagree with the claim that Corbyn has a better moral compass than Boris?
I think that Corbyn is a shill for the unions and pretends to be for the working class. When Corbyn tries to get two murderers released from prison because they killed a man for the crime of crossing picket lines, that is morally indefensible and a man who is doing that has no integrity. You wouldn't accept Johnson wanting two rich boys let off for murder so why should striking miners be exempt from the law and basic human morality? Corbyn proved he lacked morality by defending murderers. He either did it because he has no moral compass or because he's been bought by the unions, but whichever way you look at it, it's inexcusable.
 

TFG

Jul 23, 2013
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I think that Corbyn is a shill for the unions and pretends to be for the working class. When Corbyn tries to get two murderers released from prison because they killed a man for the crime of crossing picket lines, that is morally indefensible and a man who is doing that has no integrity. You wouldn't accept Johnson wanting two rich boys let off for murder so why should striking miners be exempt from the law and basic human morality? Corbyn proved he lacked morality by defending murderers. He either did it because he has no moral compass or because he's been bought by the unions, but whichever way you look at it, it's inexcusable.
So you genuinely believe this one instance you keep bringing up comes above decades and decades of constitent voting for bills that aren literally designed to benefit the working class? I look forward to your response on this one as your argument is wafer thin. The idea that he has been 'pretending' to be pro working class for nearly 40 years is almost hard to even take seriously, and it shows that you're not thinking rationally at all.

As for being a union still, what would he possibly gain from that if not support for the working class? It makes no sense, he's not picking up a paycheck, he supports unions because they've played a fundamental role in securing and protecting workers rights. Of course he will make mistakes and have misjudgements but history speaks for it's self. You also quoted the question in particular but didn't even attempt to give an answer...Who do you think has the better moral compass, or who do you think cares about the average person on the street more?

It's very easy, why has Corbyn consistently voted for pro working class legislation more than any other standing MP, often against his own career prospects, if he's just a shill who doesn't really care?

You're looking like an idiot here, it's sounding like a similar conversation with another like minded poster who reckoned Majid Nawaz was bought and paid for as well :lol:
 
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kf3

Jul 17, 2012
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Very interesting conversation the last couple pages imo. I don't think either side is massively wrong (apart from condoning murder, but that was a joke I think). Both sides of an argument can make legit points, infact, without that it's a shitty argument.

Thanks TFG, I will look at those links for how they have voted when I get home.
 

kf3

Jul 17, 2012
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Co operatives grow 4 times faster than corporations. Maybe the whole union thing was a halfway house for worker satisfaction.

Does either man recognise this model, Where there is no capitalist/worker dynamic that can be exploited?

They don't even have to know about this to be better than the other guy. But to impress me.......