Boxing, racism, and nationalism

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Does your Mrs have any interest whatsoever in boxing? Is she American? Do you think it would have made a difference if Ruiz identified as American or it was Andy Williams, White looking American who was fighting.

Side note, what is Ruiz's ethic background? Is he fully of Mexican descent? He's not quite Canelo but pretty pale all the same.
She boxed for five years. We watch boxing together often.

I've already explained what she said and why she was bothered.
 
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She boxed for five years. We watch boxing together often.

I've already explained what she said and why she was bothered.
Can't get how she can regularly watch boxing with you but this is the first time she's seen you cheer against a black fighter. If it isn't the first time, just the first time it's bothered her, then clearly there is something more to it.
 
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Can't get how she can regularly watch boxing with you but this is the first time she's seen you cheer against a black fighter. If it isn't the first time, just the first time it's bothered her, then clearly there is something more to it.
Because I don't always go for Latino fighters because I don't give a shit. Its also not the first time this has happened. Jesus fuck, just because I started a thread on it doesn't mean its the first time it has happened. It's just the latest incident and it made me think of creating thread.
 
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I hear ya, but it's more than that I think.

Let's take the Joshua vs Ruiz jr fight for example. I was rooting for Andy Ruiz, not because I'm predominantly Mexican American either. I was just sick of people cracking on him, acting like he was some fat fuck that couldn't fight for shit.

So while I'm watching the fight my wife slowly starts getting annoyed. She leaves and after the fight I track her down to talk to her and she told me she felt like my kids and I were just rooting against the black guy. Now, she knows me, I'm probably one of the least racist people you'll ever meet. It's just not something I'm concerned with. My grandma was white and from Germany, my dad's grandparents were from Mexico. My wife is black. I just don't really give a shit about race.

I told my wife that she should know better. She said she did but that just watching the black guy get beat up and us cheering for the other guy just bothered her. That's what I'm talking about, is it almost innate in people. Tribalism, identifying with someone that looks like you even though you don't know the person at all. It's weird isn't it?
That's pretty disappointing and I'd be quite annoyed at my missus if she reacted like that. You fucking married her and had kids with her didn't you? That should be a pretty strong indication that you don't have some urge to see black people get beaten up. :lol: I couldn't give a fuck about race when it comes to who I support. My favourite fighters growing up were Benn, Hamed and Lewis. Then I was a big Hatton fan. I always wanted RJJ to win, even when fighting a Brit, because I just wanted to witness the cementing of greatness. Same reason I wanted Lomachenko to beat Crolla, even though Crolla is from my home city and I like him...I just don't want to see someone I think is a once in a generation talent come unstuck, I want him to fulfil what I think he is capable of.

It's actually your missus who has shown herself to have racial bias. She felt an affinity with a British guy who had far more money, adulation and respect in his sport than the overweight, derided American/Mexican. Her entire reaction to it was based on Joshua being black. It's her issue.
 
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That's pretty disappointing and I'd be quite annoyed at my missus if she reacted like that. You fucking married her and had kids with her didn't you? That should be a pretty strong indication that you don't have some urge to see black people get beaten up. :lol: I couldn't give a fuck about race when it comes to who I support. My favourite fighters growing up were Benn, Hamed and Lewis. Then I was a big Hatton fan. I always wanted RJJ to win, even when fighting a Brit, because I just wanted to witness the cementing of greatness. Same reason I wanted Lomachenko to beat Crolla, even though Crolla is from my home city and I like him...I just don't want to see someone I think is a once in a generation talent come unstuck, I want him to fulfil what I think he is capable of.

It's actually your missus who has shown herself to have racial bias. She felt an affinity with a British guy who had far more money, adulation and respect in his sport than the overweight, derided American/Mexican. Her entire reaction to it was based on Joshua being black. It's her issue.
Yup.

I tell her all the time that she's way more racist than I am.
 
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If she knows combat sports to the point where she has competed in several of them , she is your wife and you are a family,then that's a strange reaction. I admittedly didn't read the whole thread yet but surely she's reasonable and knowledgeable enough for you to sit her down and explain you wanted the underdog to win because people were making a joke out of him because he's fat and therefore must be a circus act like Butterbean when he's in fact a talented world class fighter ?
 
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Pretty good thread.

Boxing sometimes can be tribal and racial but most of the time it's not, at least in my experience. I'm one of the only white guys in my boxing gym right now and everyone is treated with respect and dignity no matter what their color or race is. Boxing is one of those things that unites people IMO. The comradery in the sport is second to none.

As far as boxing fans go I find that for the most part people will root for who they like, from an entertainment point of view, from a styles pov etc, rather than what their race is.. I mean that kind of shit is useless really in determining who the better fighter is, I find it to be pointless.

No offense @Mrboogie23 but your wife sounds like an SJW to make that kind of assumption about you rooting for Ruiz, would that be correct?
 
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Yup.

I tell her all the time that she's way more racist than I am.

Your wife sounds very racist and there is nothing wrong with that, I know in the past you have said that she doesn't even like to watch white comedians. The great majority of people are racist. They either admit it or they lie. As long as they are not hurting anyone than it is irrelevant. If she doesn't lie to see a back boxer lose it hurts nobody. Society needs to stop trying to deny that most people feel like this.
I think people have to stop denying that tribalism and racism are not going to go away. I always ask my liberal friends ( who try to deny tribalism ) when was the last time they tried to get a place to live in a black area. They are always silent.
 
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Yup.

I tell her all the time that she's way more racist than I am.
That would piss me off to the point that it probably wouldn't work out. If my missus was remotely hung up about her ethnicity it would really bug me. She experienced some racism as a kid, but is not remotely focused on race. Ruiz also just seems like a really genuine, nice guy. I'd be surprised if most Americans weren't rooting for him.
 
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Pretty good thread.

Boxing sometimes can be tribal and racial but most of the time it's not, at least in my experience. I'm one of the only white guys in my boxing gym right now and everyone is treated with respect and dignity no matter what their color or race is. Boxing is one of those things that unites people IMO. The comradery in the sport is second to none.

As far as boxing fans go I find that for the most part people will root for who they like, from an entertainment point of view, from a styles pov etc, rather than what their race is.. I mean that kind of shit is useless really in determining who the better fighter is, I find it to be pointless.

No offense @Mrboogie23 but your wife sounds like an SJW to make that kind of assumption about you rooting for Ruiz, would that be correct?
Nah, she's not an SJW. She's like me, pretty left leaning on stuff but gets annoyed with SJWs.
 
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That would piss me off to the point that it probably wouldn't work out. If my missus was remotely hung up about her ethnicity it would really bug me. She experienced some racism as a kid, but is not remotely focused on race. Ruiz also just seems like a really genuine, nice guy. I'd be surprised if most Americans weren't rooting for him.
Truth, honestly it rarely comes up with us. Its happened, but she doesn't care about race too much. I know she's sensitive to it, she's experienced some pretty harsh racism growing up so I can't blame her. She's past it but I can tell when something is hitting those notes for her.

Just so happened that this fight did that.
 
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Truth, honestly it rarely comes up with us. Its happened, but she doesn't care about race too much. I know she's sensitive to it, she's experienced some pretty harsh racism growing up so I can't blame her. She's past it but I can tell when something is hitting those notes for her.

Just so happened that this fight did that.
Fair enough mate, I just think it's bizarre to literally think her husband is cheering on a fighter because he wants to see a black guy lose.

I reckon if I made a list of my favourite 10 sports people right now, most would be black. If I did my all time list, it would probably be 50/50.
 
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Your wife sounds very racist and there is nothing wrong with that, I know in the past you have said that she doesn't even like to watch white comedians. The great majority of people are racist. They either admit it or they lie. As long as they are not hurting anyone than it is irrelevant. If she doesn't lie to see a back boxer lose it hurts nobody. Society needs to stop trying to deny that most people feel like this.
I think people have to stop denying that tribalism and racism are not going to go away. I always ask my liberal friends ( who try to deny tribalism ) when was the last time they tried to get a place to live in a black area. They are always silent.
She's not VERY racist. She married a damn Mexican with a German grandma for fucks sake.