Boxing Scoring FAQ and Discussion

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I haven't been able to find anything official on that one Rob. It's a great question. The way I score fights, effective punching is always above the rest... but that's just me, an untrained, amateur couch judge. If you are able to find anything that explicitly states anything about one criteria being more important than the others, post it up brother. I will add it to the original post. :good
For me this is the issue with fight scoring at this point in time. There is no consistent understand of what the rules are. Some just focus on effective punching, others heavily value defense, others factor in all 4 criteria.

From everything that I can see, all 4 criteria are equal, because nowhere does it specifically list clean effective punching being the most important.
 

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For me this is the issue with fight scoring at this point in time. There is no consistent understand of what the rules are. Some just focus on effective punching, others heavily value defense, others factor in all 4 criteria.

From everything that I can see, all 4 criteria are equal, because nowhere does it specifically list clean effective punching being the most important.
Sounds fair enough to me!
 

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For me this is the issue with fight scoring at this point in time. There is no consistent understand of what the rules are. Some just focus on effective punching, others heavily value defense, others factor in all 4 criteria.

From everything that I can see, all 4 criteria are equal, because nowhere does it specifically list clean effective punching being the most important.
Harold Lederman often states that clean punching is given the highest precedence. There's a good video with him explaining it.

It IS simple. Who did the most damage in the round? Who landed the most effective punches? Volume shouldn't come into it unless the gap is so huge it's clear.
 
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Harold Lederman often states that clean punching is given the highest precedence. There's a good video with him explaining it.

It IS simple. Who did the most damage in the round? Who landed the most effective punches? Volume shouldn't come into it unless the gap is so huge it's clear.
I know the video your talking about, but even in that he basically says he is ignoring the actual written rules to score a fight that way. What stood out for me in that video is when he talked about defence he talked about blocking punches and not slipping.....but maybe he just missed it.
 
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You just said it wasn't subjective and then went on to make my counter argument for me.

Nobody would have argued if one of the judges had actually scored it 10-7. It would have been fair and the judges were free to do so at their discretion. But the knockdown didn't actually occur in that case, and so its a bad example.
It is totally subject but especially in the states there is some unwritten rules if you will like:

no even round cards

some wont go past 10-7 even if enough knockdowns due to making too much of a gap

and a few others
 

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So make up your own rules basically!
It seems vague but IMO he probably means not make it too complicated for yourself. A real judge has to look at all 4 criteria but to the layman, the harder cleaner damaging shots has much of the criteria covered. Basically use common sense and don't over complicate it.
 
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Great thread. Scoring the fights myself has always been a passion of mine and some of the questions here I've wondered about, but never discussed.

I will also add that I'm involved in this site Eye On The Ring that is exclusively for fan cards. If you're following this thread, it might be of interest. If you keep a notebook of cards, it's a nice to have an online option.

The site is still mostly unknown. So we're looking for more fans to try it out and post about it on their blogs or Facebook.

http://www.eyeonthering.com/
 

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Great thread. Scoring the fights myself has always been a passion of mine and some of the questions here I've wondered about, but never discussed.

I will also add that I'm involved in this site Eye On The Ring that is exclusively for fan cards. If you're following this thread, it might be of interest. If you keep a notebook of cards, it's a nice to have an online option.

The site is still mostly unknown. So we're looking for more fans to try it out and post about it on their blogs or Facebook.

http://www.eyeonthering.com/
Wow great post. I looked at that website and I'm kind of excited about it to be honest. I'll be spending some time there in the future.
 

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Wow great post. I looked at that website and I'm kind of excited about it to be honest. I'll be spending some time there in the future.
Nice. The site really appeals to a lot of fans. Those who find it that is - we are still mostly unknown.
 

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HaroldLederman on a reddit AMA 10 monthes ago. Asked for tips on scoring a fight.

Well, you know, you go by the 4 criteria. Clean punching, effective aggression, ring generalship, and defense. Now, the textbook answer is you score 25% each, but that's not the truth. The truth is clean punching is 99%, and the other three are if you can't make up your mind. At the end of the round, you say which guy hurt the other guy more than him and basically that's it. It's that simple, you try to determine who did more damage.

It's that simple really, they just complicate it with terms like effective aggression.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/4hvd8l/i_am_harold_lederman_hbo_ringside_scorer_and/
 
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Same AMA. Lederman asked about the accuracy of punchstats.

Well, Bob Cannobio who invented punchstat, never claimed it was going to tell you who won the fight. It's just an interesting thing to have. As far as being accurate, these guys do it all the time, you've gotta hope they've developed a talent for counting. For example, Lampley always tells you if a fighter lands more than 50% of power punches he's going to win, and that's usually right.

It just adds a little to the broadcast. I would feel devastated if we had a fight without the punchstat guys. They do a wonderful job, they give us good numbers and I find it's an interesting part of the broadcast. It's not the same as the judges and doesn't tell you who won but it's interesting.
 
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zoe

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HaroldLederman on a reddit AMA 10 monthes ago. Asked for tips on scoring a fight.

Well, you know, you go by the 4 criteria. Clean punching, effective aggression, ring generalship, and defense. Now, the textbook answer is you score 25% each, but that's not the truth. The truth is clean punching is 99%, and the other three are if you can't make up your mind. At the end of the round, you say which guy hurt the other guy more than him and basically that's it. It's that simple, you try to determine who did more damage.

It's that simple really, they just complicate it with terms like effective aggression.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/4hvd8l/i_am_harold_lederman_hbo_ringside_scorer_and/
Effective aggression, ring generalship, and defense are combined 1%? I say no. But I would say most judges, ringside and fans, do far outweigh clean punching over anything else, which does make sense. I just don't think less than a % for the other three is good judging.
 

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Effective aggression, ring generalship, and defense are combined 1%? I say no. But I would say most judges, ringside and fans, do far outweigh clean punching over anything else, which does make sense. I just don't think less than a % for the other three is good judging.
I think youre taking harold ledermans words a little too literal.