Brawler vs. Swarmer.

PivotPunch

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I don't consider Foreman to be a brawler or if he is he was a highly skilled brawler. A pure brawler for me would be someone like Mayorga. But that are just personal definitions so if you want what I consider to be a puncher vs a swarmer Liston vs Patterson is basically Foreman vs Frazier several years earlier. Or a fight where the swarmer won was Helenius vs Chisora.
 

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Kovalev is a boxer puncher. I don't know of many "Brawler" types. Maybe Tony Galento. Swarmer is someone like Henry Armstrong, Jake Lamotta, Aaron Pryor
 
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Frazier vs Bonevena

best I could think of for Brawler vs swarmer

Dempsey vs Firpo another
 
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Bogotazo

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Brawlers = Brandon Rios, Ruslan Provodnikov, Alfredo Angulo, James Kirkland, Tyson Marquez, Matthew Maidana, Chabbit Jr., Soto-Karass, etc
Nah, Rios is an infighter, Provodnikov is an infighter/slugger, Maidana is a slugger, Chavez Jr. is an infighter/boxer-puncher, Soto-Karass is half slugger half boxer-puncher.

Angulo and Kirkland can be described as brawlers. Mayorga is the archetype for me.
 

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Okay, CHB... let's lay down some definitions...

Slugger
Brawler

I can't see a distinction between slugger and brawler...

Swarmer (fights in spurts?)
Boxer (stays outside w/ the jab and picks his spot?)
Boxer-Puncher (comes forward w/ power punches, but not full throttle?)
 

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Nah, Rios is an infighter, Provodnikov is an infighter/slugger, Maidana is a slugger, Chavez Jr. is an infighter/boxer-puncher, Soto-Karass is half slugger half boxer-puncher.

Angulo and Kirkland can be described as brawlers. Mayorga is the archetype for me.
no offence, i know you love boxing, what is an infighter? I never heard that phrase used this way. it seems like a description of best attribute rather than style. Rios doesn't have particullarloy great infignting ability anyway, brawling seems a much better definition of his style
 

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no offence, i know you love boxing, what is an infighter? I never heard that phrase used this way. it seems like a description of best attribute rather than style. Rios doesn't have particullarloy great infignting ability anyway, brawling seems a much better definition of his style
An infighter is someone who fights on the inside, at very close quarters. I'd say Brandon Rios is one of the more skilled infighters around today. The way he positions his body, rolls shots, throws to the body and pushes and turns, few fighters are as adept as he is. He's not all that good in any other area, but we have yet to see him bested on the inside. A brawler to me seriously lacks fundamentals. Brandon has his flaws but he's been taught, he doesn't just swing away feeding off of awkwardness.
 

kf3

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An infighter is someone who fights on the inside, at very close quarters. I'd say Brandon Rios is one of the more skilled infighters around today. The way he positions his body, rolls shots, throws to the body and pushes and turns, few fighters are as adept as he is. He's not all that good in any other area, but we have yet to see him bested on the inside. A brawler to me seriously lacks fundamentals. Brandon has his flaws but he's been taught, he doesn't just swing away feeding off of awkwardness.
so is there no such thing as a well skilled brawler? if that is true it shouldn't be used as a stylistic description imo. I think calling any fighter an infighter is another way of saying they can't operate on the outside, maybe the mark of an 'infighter' is the ability to get inside and do work without getting tagged? Isn't that a swarmer?.(again, no trolling/aggression i'm just interested in your phrases)
 

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What about Ambush fighters...

Ambush Fighters can still be incredibly violent.

Herbie Hide, David Haye, even Muhammad Ali could be described as a ambush type of fighter! But he could switch between many styles...
 

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so is there no such thing as a well skilled brawler? if that is true it shouldn't be used as a stylistic description imo. I think calling any fighter an infighter is another way of saying they can't operate on the outside, maybe the mark of an 'infighter' is the ability to get inside and do work without getting tagged? Isn't that a swarmer?.(again, no trolling/aggression i'm just interested in your phrases)
Yeah no worries.

I think you can be a skilled brawler, but to me a brawler is someone who lacks fundamentals and makes up for it with awkwardness and cleverness and athletic ability and usually power. Like Mayorga. He's not unskilled, but he's certainly far from elite in terms of technical ability.

An infighter to me is someone who specializes on getting inside. Saying they can't operate on the outside would be looking at it in a backwards way I think, you wouldn't define outside boxers by their lack of ability to fight inside. Someone who can work their way in without getting tagged is a more skilled infighter.

A swarmer to me is someone who pressures behind large amounts of volume, and while lots of swarmers are also infighters (like Pryor), I'd call Williams a swarmer despite the fact he spammed punches at long/mid-range. Margarito might also fit there better than brawler, but he was rough enough around the edges that it wouldn't be a bad fit. Tyson was also a swarmer because he closed the distance quickly while slipping shots and then let combinations rip (though in a straight clinch or chest to chest, didn't really do much.)
 

Bogotazo

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What about Ambush fighters...

Ambush Fighters can still be incredibly violent.

Herbie Hide, David Haye, even Muhammad Ali could be described as a ambush type of fighter! But he could switch between many styles...
I think ambush fighting is more of a tactic than a style. Pacquiao, Ali, Khan, Ward, Hopkins can all be described as ambush fighters, but Pac is a high-volume boxer-puncher, Ali was an outside fighter, Khan is a blitzing boxer-puncher, Ward is a well-rounded boxer, and Hopkins is a movement-heavy boxer/counter-puncher. I might consider it like a "second-tier" term; an add-on to further describe their overall style.