British Top 30 P4P July 2013

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1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (2.) Ricky Burns
3. (3.) David Haye
4. (4.) Martin Murray
5. (5.) Amir Khan
6. (6.) Tyson Fury
7. (7.) George Groves
8. (8.) Tony Bellew
9. (9.) Nathan Cleverly
10. (10.) Jamie McDonnell

11. (11.) Ola Afolabi
12. (12.) Kell Brook
13. (13.) Matthew Macklin
14. (14.) Carl Frampton
15. (15.) Darren Barker
16. (16.) James DeGale
17. (18.) Scott Quigg
18. (17.) Lee Selby
19. (19.) Lee Haskins
20. (29.) Frankie Gavin

21. (20.) Brian Rose
22. (22.) Gary Buckland
23. (RE.) Anthony Crolla
24. (21.) Gavin Rees
25. (23.) Andy Lee (Irish)
26. (24.) Dereck Chisora
27. (25.) John Simpson
28. (26.) Kevin Satchell
29. (27.) David Price
30. (28.) Brian Magee (Irish)

Out - (30.) Kevin Mitchell
 

Peter Barlow

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Cleverly surely gotta be higher than Bellew?

Alot of guys around fringe World level-European very hard to accurately rank them.
Very interested to see where Crolla and Murray in particular go from here.
 
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Cleverly surely gotta be higher than Bellew?

Alot of guys around fringe World level-European very hard to accurately rank them.
Very interested to see where Crolla and Murray in particular go from here.
Cleverly's opposition has been so poor recently that I had to drop him a few places. Seriously, his opposition has been an absolute disgrace.

Both Bellew and Cleverly are fighting top class opposition next, so hopefully the results of those fights will show who deserves to be ranked highest.
 
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Still Clev has beaten Bellew and is a world champion!
Yes, but since then Cleverly's opposition has been significantly worse than Bellew's.

I normally try to big up British fighters and give them the benefit of the doubt, but Cleverly's opposition has been so bad that I started to hate him.

It takes a lot for me to turn against a top British fighter, but Cleverly managed it, his opposition has been an absolute flipping disgrace. He has been an abysmal champion and he doesn't deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being given a good ranking.
 
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Why is David Haye in there? and Kell Brook at 12??
Hayes last fight was against a repeatedly beaten Chisora ( more of a grudge match than anything ) so what makes him a top P4P in current circumstances
 
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Why is David Haye in there? and Kell Brook at 12??
Hayes last fight was against a repeatedly beaten Chisora ( more of a grudge match than anything ) so what makes him a top P4P in current circumstances
Chisora is a world's top 15 ranked fighter, beating him was a pretty good win for Haye.

Brook hasn't done much recently, he's just hanging about in quite a good position because those below him haven't done a great deal lately. He'll be moving down the rankings soon enough if he continues to piss about.
 
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Martin Murray is way too high. I feel like you're probably overcrediting that performance against Martinez.
Murray deserves a lot of credit for that performance. He went to Argentina and arguably beat a top 5 P4P fighter. He deserves far more credit than most give him for that performance.
 

Peter Barlow

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Do you not think fighting Kovalev when hes not mandatory and is not a belt holder or big payday/name yet, goes along way to rectifying criticism Clevs got for his opposition in the past.

Theres just no way Bellew is above him for me.
 
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Murray deserves a lot of credit for that performance. He went to Argentina and arguably beat a top 5 P4P fighter. He deserves far more credit than most give him for that performance.
I give him a lot of credit, since I scored it for him, not everybody did remember. Clearly he deserves great credit regardless.

But I'm not sure we saw a great Martinez in there so that has to factor into something like this. It's not like Murray was producing wonders, mainly just plodding forward with a tight guard since Martinez didn't have any legs and didn't have great output which we now have an explanation for in the way of his injuries. He showed his physical strength, durability and consistency but I find it difficult to imagine that would have been enough against the Martinez that was worthy of such adulation in the first place, so I don't really credit Murray by pretending everything was okay and he fought a great version of Martinez on the night. It would have to be a near peak Martinez for me to propel him from somewhere just inside a top 15 to 4 above several of the names you've put him ahead of.
 
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Do you not think fighting Kovalev when hes not mandatory and is not a belt holder or big payday/name yet, goes along way to rectifying criticism Clevs got for his opposition in the past.

Theres just no way Bellew is above him for me.
It's too late I hate him now. Kovalev's a top class opponent, but I'll only give him credit after he's fought him.

Bellew's opposition is far more like the opposition a world champion should be fighting and he will probably be fighting Stevenson next, so he outdoes Cleverly again.
 
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I like Bellew above Cleverly. He's actually beaten better opposition, and picking the bones out of their fight is marginal enough that I look to see what they've done since then.