Callum Smith (WBA 'Super') vs. Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez (WBA 'Regular') - December 19th 2020

Smith vs. Canelo Winner and How?

  • Callum Smith Stoppage

    Votes: 1 3.8%
  • Callum Smith Decision

    Votes: 3 11.5%
  • Canelo Decision

    Votes: 7 26.9%
  • Canelo Stoppage

    Votes: 15 57.7%

  • Total voters
    26

A Force

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Don’t know if there is a rehydration clause but he doesn’t need one. Smith’s punch output seems to get less & less each fight & id imagine just making 168 is killing him. My guess is he gets beat blames it on the weight & moves up to 175
 
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Don’t know if there is a rehydration clause but he doesn’t need one. Smith’s punch output seems to get less & less each fight & id imagine just making 168 is killing him.
Exactly. This is what makes his re-hydration clauses even more ridiculous and pathetic.

To even come up with the idea and then enforce that via a clause in a contract, with a fine :lol:

Imagine trying to gain an edge over an opponent by handicapping them. No athlete with any sense of pride would do this.
 
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Exactly. This is what makes his re-hydration clauses even more ridiculous and pathetic.

To even come up with the idea and then enforce that via a clause in a contract, with a fine :lol:

Imagine trying to gain an edge over an opponent by handicapping them. No athlete with any sense of pride would do this.
Turning that on its head for a moment, you could also say that no athlete with any sense period, would agree to such terms. So if you're offered a fight and you feel that the terms put you at a significant disadvantage, you counter-offer or reject the contract, right?

Since he's signed to fight next month aren't we all to assume that the terms are acceptable? Seems to me that anything else is just baseless specualtion.
 
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Err, Canelo approached him. Total bitch move to ask someone to fight only to handicap your opponent. He even imposed it on a shot Kovalev who went life and death with Yarde a mere 8-weeks before their fight. Tried to keep it secret too :lol:

How do you even live with yourself after asking that? The man really has no pride :rofl Either you take a/the challenge or you don't.
You think welterweight Harry Greb imposed rehydration clauses when he fought and beat light-heavy and heavyweights?
Calm down my dear fellow you seem very upset.
Smith has the option of saying no. Nobodies put a gun to his head. And forced him to sign a contract. Both him and Gallagher have lobbied for this fight.

Do you think they had day before weighins in the time of Harry Greb..?
As for Kovalev having a quick turn around of only 8 weeks. Harry Greb had a quick turn arounds of 8 days. Against killers. He fought Mickey Walker, Maxie Rosenbloom, Billy Britton all within a 3 week period.

16 week training were unheard of even in the 80s' 90's the likes of Tyson, Holyfield, Delahoya, Benn, Eubank, Hamed all fought within an 8 week period of having a fight. I doubt if Harry Greb in his day knew what an 8 week gap between fights looked like.

The day before weighins are a recent innovation.

Maybe we should also have 26 to 30 rounds fights because likes of Harry fought them.

The whole dehydrating then rehydrating to huge amounts is a recent innovation in the last couple of decades. I remember the British Board 20 years or so ago preventing Welsh Boxer Floyd Havard from fighting because he had rehydrated by 20lbs and his opponent only 4lbs.
 
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Maybe so. I can't say I disagree with that overall.

But as is.. rehydrating and putting extra weight on is within the official rule books so Canelo should operate within them.
Asking some one to sign a rehydration clause. Is not against the official rules either. Its down to the fighter to accept or reject.

The 10lb hydration has been compulsory for the IBF.
 
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Zopilote

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We complain about boxers cutting too much weight and being weight bullies but then we get pissed off when boxers demand rehydration clauses? Seriously, make up your fucking minds.

like mentioned, the IBF uses rehydration clauses all the time, Kovalev was an ibf champ for a long time himself, so you can fuck off with that rehydration clause excuse.
 
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hopefully all of Smith's inbred family and friends from scouse land bet on him so i get a better price for what will be a comfortable canelo victory.
 
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REDC

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I suppose you could conversley say. If Smith wants to be a Cruiserweight at fight time. Then he should go and fight at Cruiserweight. Instead of being a weight bully.

I cant see the point of having a weigh in for a particular weightclass.Then one guy weighing in 20lbs heavier then the other at fight time. How is that fair.?

Hydration clauses should probably be made compulsory at all weights. That way guys fight at their natural weight. No more unfair disadvantages.

Plus hydration clauses apply to both fighters.
''WBC middleweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez says he could rehydrate as high as 190 for his title defense against welterweight challenger Amir Khan on 5/7. Canelo said he’ll rehydrate to whatever weight that he feels comfortable at after he weighs-in after 155lbs for their catch-weight on HBO PPV. Canelo says it’s his problem whatever weight that he comes in at.''

"I wanted to do everything naturally because when I beat him I wanted to beat him fair and square and I don't want people thinking 'He was too dehydrated, he was too small, he couldn't put weight on''- Amir Khan
 
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''WBC middleweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez says he could rehydrate as high as 190 for his title defense against welterweight challenger Amir Khan on 5/7. Canelo said he’ll rehydrate to whatever weight that he feels comfortable at after he weighs-in after 155lbs for their catch-weight on HBO PPV. Canelo says it’s his problem whatever weight that he comes in at.''

"I wanted to do everything naturally because when I beat him I wanted to beat him fair and square and I don't want people thinking 'He was too dehydrated, he was too small, he couldn't put weight on''- Amir Khan
In that case its Callum Smith who should be demanding a rehydration clause. 190lbs ? Canelo will probably rehydrate to a larger level amount then Callum Smith.

Thats why there needs to be a compulsory hydration clause for every division. To stop this weight bullying. The fighters who are the superstars implementing and rejecting when they feel like it.
 
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ant-man

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Never gonna happen of course but how sweet it would be if he somehow managed to avenge his brother's loss.

But IMO it's just a cynical money making exercise for both parties a la Tyson/RJJ and about as intriguing ie. not much.
 
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''WBC middleweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez says he could rehydrate as high as 190 for his title defense against welterweight challenger Amir Khan on 5/7. Canelo said he’ll rehydrate to whatever weight that he feels comfortable at after he weighs-in after 155lbs for their catch-weight on HBO PPV. Canelo says it’s his problem whatever weight that he comes in at.''

"I wanted to do everything naturally because when I beat him I wanted to beat him fair and square and I don't want people thinking 'He was too dehydrated, he was too small, he couldn't put weight on''- Amir Khan

Khan said in the Crawford build up that he did ask for a rehydration clause and team canelo said no...

You know when Mayweather puts in weight stipulations to fight canelo that you should probably do the same, especially when you are not nearly as good as mayweather.
 
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Nice positive story. Thought I would share it here. Considering ginger is a bit of mystery and Zero aspects of his personality are reflected in his media interviews or press conferences.
 
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REDC

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Asking some one to sign a rehydration clause. Is not against the official rules either. Its down to the fighter to accept or reject.

The 10lb hydration has been compulsory for the IBF.
The IBF re-hydration weigh-in is the next morning. After that fighters can re-hydrate as much as they want and come into the ring weighing as much as they want.
 

REDC

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In that case its Callum Smith who should be demanding a rehydration clause. 190lbs ? Canelo will probably rehydrate to a larger level amount then Callum Smith.

Thats why there needs to be a compulsory hydration clause for every division. To stop this weight bullying. The fighters who are the superstars implementing and rejecting when they feel like it.
Plus don't overlook the shameless double standards and hypocrisy by Canelo.