Can anyone clue me in on 5G? What does it potentially mean?

Haggis

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I hear about it quite often now, but I don't really know what it means, aside from higher data transfer speeds. I gather there's quite a lot of controversy about whether it's even worth setting it up or not? Apparently they don't need cell towers?

Anyone more in the know?

Is this going to be something that catapults us into the next stage of future tech in a decade or so? Or do you think it's overhyped? What will it mean?

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From what I can gather it won't be especially groundbreaking, it will just mean much faster Internet, much faster download times etc. So when fully functioning, pages would be instantaneous, PDF's would open as quick as turning a page in a book, films would download to your phone or tablet in under 5 seconds. But that't it operating at full speed.

It will be better, but we're not talking about a jump comparable to going from dial-up to broadband.
 

Haggis

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From what I can gather it won't be especially groundbreaking, it will just mean much faster Internet, much faster download times etc. So when fully functioning, pages would be instantaneous, PDF's would open as quick as turning a page in a book, films would download to your phone or tablet in under 5 seconds. But that't it operating at full speed.

It will be better, but we're not talking about a jump comparable to going from dial-up to broadband.
That's my understanding as well.

So why spend billions and billions of dollars replacing the entire network?

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That's my understanding as well.

So why spend billions and billions of dollars replacing the entire network?

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Progress I guess, and it's being split across multiple avenues. And it will see improvements in reliability and probably make inroads for major companies. Fundamentally, we could say that moving from 3G to 4G was not worth it...but if you had a phone or business using 5G for a year and then switched to 3G you would definitely notice it in a big way. So these incremental improvements that might not seem huge, get you to somewhere further down the line that is pretty huge.

I don't know enough about it to say that it is or isn't worth a given sum of money though.
 
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Imagine having speeds that can reach similar speeds to cable or broadband but it will be wireless. You can be on your labtop on a park bench playing call of duty with no issues for example.

My company is doing the construction side of installing 5G in NYC. So we basically connect fiber optic cables from manholes, to light poles to put it simply. Also the new 5G antennas are much less noticable, they're no longer huge 100 ft towers, they're literally a box and an antenna that can be placed on any light or wood pole.

The only problem with this is that it requires more nodes than a traditional cell tower. But it will also create a huge umbrella effect where you won't find spots lacking cell coverage as each antenna will overlap coverage with another one.

So you will have both fast speeds and amazing coverage.
 
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Progress I guess, and it's being split across multiple avenues. And it will see improvements in reliability and probably make inroads for major companies. Fundamentally, we could say that moving from 3G to 4G was not worth it...but if you had a phone or business using 5G for a year and then switched to 3G you would definitely notice it in a big way. So these incremental improvements that might not seem huge, get you to somewhere further down the line that is pretty huge.

I don't know enough about it to say that it is or isn't worth a given sum of money though.
The thing is that it's basically piggy backing off of traditional fiber optic cables that provide internet for every business or home on the area, so yes you are upgrading a lot of them, but the fiber optic technology improves so fast that you are already upgrading the cables every few years. Now the only additional work being done is taking those cables and running them to antennas above ground.
 
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Be able to watch the boxing and the cricket on the hoof much easier.
Pretty much this, you can go to a park or even the beach, set up a projector to your labtop and have it connected to 5G. It's like having home internet access and speeds but anywhere you wish.
 
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That's my understanding as well.

So why spend billions and billions of dollars replacing the entire network?

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I assume they are future proofing. Tech advances at an alarming rate and peoples demands in regards to data is becoming greater and greater due to more and more devices being connected.

From what I've read the masts for 5G are much smaller and less costly to put up so the cost of setting up the network won't be bad as when they upgraded to 4G.

5G is meant to be 100 times faster than 4G, so it is a substantial improvement and with speeds of up to 1GB.
 
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Ill be more excited when wired infrastructure catches up and high speed internet can be guaranteed anywhere that's densely populated. I live in Newcastle and I'm currently limited to 50mb internet which sounds like it should do the job, but I can't watch Netflix and play Call of Duty at the same time which is ridiculous.

I can't imagine it's too far away, but it must be 5-10 years now since fibre optic become available and it's still so sparse in its infrastructure.

It's actually having an effect on house prices now too.
 

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My understanding of 5G is the latency response times will be much better adding much more functionality of interconnected appliances, devices. The "Internet of things" is about many kinds of devices sending receiving big data at ridiculous speeds. This opens the door for leaps in innovation.

Things like Automation and driverless cars will benefit with 5G performance. Cloud based services.
 
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Haggis

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Yes, driverless cars, 5G would surely have a big impact on them. Hadn't considered that.

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For some reason I automatically think of the latency required for a surgeon to do his operation from a remote location to understand 5G. Obviously they can do that now with fibre optic but I cant imagine the other possibilities the technology will bring with wireless internet that fast.

Automation aspect, seeing a factory full of robots interconnected. But the wireless internet required for that sort of thing is next level
 
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Ill be more excited when wired infrastructure catches up and high speed internet can be guaranteed anywhere that's densely populated. I live in Newcastle and I'm currently limited to 50mb internet which sounds like it should do the job, but I can't watch Netflix and play Call of Duty at the same time which is ridiculous.

I can't imagine it's too far away, but it must be 5-10 years now since fibre optic become available and it's still so sparse in its infrastructure.

It's actually having an effect on house prices now too.
It's getting there. 5G will essentially be fiber optic internet with a wireless router on every city block.

You still have the speeds spreading out over larger areas and also bandwidth being shared by other users so it won't be quite as good as traditional fiber optic at home. But 200 times faster than 4G is pretty damn good.
 
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Parts of rural, even semi-rural England/UK deserve better internet speeds. It's pretty shocking how slow the transition to faster internet has been to those places. Apparently, even in parts of central/eastern Europe (where you would least expect it) they have faster speeds than here in Britain. It is a disgrace really, especially for an advanced nation like ours.
 
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It's getting there. 5G will essentially be fiber optic internet with a wireless router on every city block.

You still have the speeds spreading out over larger areas and also bandwidth being shared by other users so it won't be quite as good as traditional fiber optic at home. But 200 times faster than 4G is pretty damn good.
So does this mean my ISP will provide the connection wirelessesly or is this still only applying to mobile connections?
 
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So does this mean my ISP will provide the connection wirelessesly or is this still only applying to mobile connections?
It's still mobile providers. There are new labtops now coming out with direct 5G access so I'm sure there will be options to bundle phones and labtops.

But at the same time mobile companies are rather stingy with multiple connections so I'm not sure how that setup will work quite yet.