Carl Benjamin aka Sargon Of Akkad...

Carl Benjamin aka Sargon of Akkad: Fan or Not A Fan?

  • Fan

    Votes: 10 47.6%
  • Not A Fan

    Votes: 11 52.4%

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Jul 24, 2012
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Fuckin ... Ann Widdecombe.

Not a fan of this Brexit Party bollocks tbh, just another one policy party similar to the Brexit version of UKIP and won't do anything for UK politics after Brexit IMO.
 

Joe

Jun 3, 2012
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What I've heard from him, I almost all agreed with but I simply can't listen to him for longer periods of time. I think I was subscribed to him on YouTube as my first subscription ever but I could never keep my attention to the end of the videos, so I ended up stop watching them. I think what he does is important and on point but entertaining I find it not. For me it's like my dentist trying to brand himself a oral healthcare entertainer. I have an first rate dentist and he is pleasant, skilled and affordable. I hold Sargon kind off in the same regard. He should just brand himself a political activist from the beginning and now a politician instead of claiming to be an entertainer.

But yeah, I'm just nitpicking about the words entertainer and fan. Overall we probably agree on 90%
I think the issue is his bloody videos are always 30+ minutes long, I tend to skip those too, if I'm on YouTube browsing lazily I might watch some anti sjw videos but only if it's something specific and short to the point I don't feel like spending half my day on it.
 

kf3

Jul 17, 2012
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while back i watched a long video he did about the politics of starship troopers.

his interpretation isn't so much wrong as it is very different to mine, the idea of a minority earning the right to vote isn't really something i can get behind. it kinda sounds nice in theory but think it through and it's a pretty unworkable and outdated idea imo.
 
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while back i watched a long video he did about the politics of starship troopers.

his interpretation isn't so much wrong as it is very different to mine, the idea of a minority earning the right to vote isn't really something i can get behind. it kinda sounds nice in theory but think it through and it's a pretty unworkable and outdated idea imo.
His interpretation is the right interpretation of Heinleins work, not necessarily the position Sargon holds but I think the point was how badly Paul Verhoeven interpreted it as some book about fascism.

That was a dense video from Sargon that he worked on and promised for months, just a little interesting side project to his usual stuff.

The "Service Guarantees Citizenship" and "thank you for your service" thing is a joke/meme that people have been using.


Sargon lost then? UKIP dead?
For now, Brexit Party pretty much ate up all of the pro Brexit support, if they weren't running then it was a good chance those that voted for Farages party may have voted UKIP.

Brexit Party are a lot more establishment than UKIP at this moment but IMO, they have less scope to make changes as a political party following whatever happens with Brexit.

UKIP suffered the same fate 3 years ago, once Brexit had won, there was very little point to them as a party anymore... Sargon, PJW and Dankula wanted to reform it as an anti-SJW / Free Speech party that would get rid of political correctness and timidness to deal with issues like hardline Islam but the media machine is hard to overcome and just basically painted them as far right Nazis and repeated Sargons tweet about Jess Phillips over and over.

People who actually watch his content find it absurd that he'd be labeled "racist" considering his position is directly opposed to identitarian movements including the Alt-Right.
 

kf3

Jul 17, 2012
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His interpretation is the right interpretation of Heinleins work, not necessarily the position Sargon holds but I think the point was how badly Paul Verhoeven interpreted it as some book about fascism.

That was a dense video from Sargon that he worked on and promised for months, just a little interesting side project to his usual stuff.

The "Service Guarantees Citizenship" and "thank you for your service" thing is a joke/meme that people have been using.
maybe, i already knew the director didn't read the book so i wouldn't have cared about that angle. (i like the book and the film btw, i just take them as different things not really an interpretation, mostly coz he didn't read it and partly because they are so different).

i think the book is interesting largey because of the politics, and reading it should bring interesting opinions from anyone who is into politics(positive or negative isn't the point so much as the nature of their thoughts). it's been a while since watched that video so it could be he just didn't give his own opinions and i got the wrong impression that he did. either way i wasn't that impressed.

p.s i don't care about left/right wing and fascist isn't the right word for the book, but military coups do usually result in pretty right wing governments.
 
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I am not watching all of that, but Sargan has basically moved right into the Peterson territory of calling all social campaigners as "communist/marxist". His original videos that got him following were nothing like the stuff he espouses now, and it feels affected and like playing up to who he believes his biggest fan base is. It is ludicrous to call people who say they want "equality" as "communists". Of course, we know that demanding all things have an equal outcome is ridiculous, but he is choosing to just mirror the whole "hierarchy" line of Peterson.

It's ironic to have him talking about identity politics while labelling an entire, diverse group of people who want more "equality" as communists.

I have less and less time for Sargan the more he speaks, and I think that's because he is playing a role that makes him the most money now.
 

kf3

Jul 17, 2012
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I am not watching all of that, but Sargan has basically moved right into the Peterson territory of calling all social campaigners as "communist/marxist". His original videos that got him following were nothing like the stuff he espouses now, and it feels affected and like playing up to who he believes his biggest fan base is. It is ludicrous to call people who say they want "equality" as "communists". Of course, we know that demanding all things have an equal outcome is ridiculous, but he is choosing to just mirror the whole "hierarchy" line of Peterson.

It's ironic to have him talking about identity politics while labelling an entire, diverse group of people who want more "equality" as communists.

I have less and less time for Sargan the more he speaks, and I think that's because he is playing a role that makes him the most money now.
around 15 minutes he refers to intersectional people and communists as different but both based on markist thought. (hur hur me clever. still using that term from now on tho)

i don't watch many of these links but i thought this video might be interesting, i'm not telling you to watch an hour interview but i am halfway and it is interesting so far. maybe would be less if i already knew about the interviewer and his views.
 
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around 15 minutes he refers to intersectional people and communists as different but both based on markist thought. (hur hur me clever. still using that term from now on tho)

i don't watch many of these links but i thought this video might be interesting, i'm not telling you to watch an hour interview but i am halfway and it is interesting so far. maybe would be less if i already knew about the interviewer and his views.
I have just watched a lot of interviews of him and other current figures, and I rarely see him saying something these days that even feels like his own idea. I find the Marxist analogy deeply flawed, and while it works in quite a clever, hypothetical way...oh look they switched up proletariat for marginalised people and bourgeoisie for majority groups, it is inherently flawed.

Because there's plenty of people who maintain a belief in actual Marxism, there's plenty who discuss systems with Marxist thought a part of them, but without being Marxist, and there's tons of SJW's who have never read so much as a page of the Communist Manifesto, let alone one of his heavier books like Das Kapital (which I sure as fuck have not read either).
 
Jul 24, 2012
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I am not watching all of that, but Sargan has basically moved right into the Peterson territory of calling all social campaigners as "communist/marxist". His original videos that got him following were nothing like the stuff he espouses now, and it feels affected and like playing up to who he believes his biggest fan base is. It is ludicrous to call people who say they want "equality" as "communists". Of course, we know that demanding all things have an equal outcome is ridiculous, but he is choosing to just mirror the whole "hierarchy" line of Peterson.

It's ironic to have him talking about identity politics while labelling an entire, diverse group of people who want more "equality" as communists.

I have less and less time for Sargan the more he speaks, and I think that's because he is playing a role that makes him the most money now.
He seemed to me to be speaking a specific group of activists (the intersectional ID Pol types) and it's true that they are generally socialists/communists by their own admission, a significant amount of them, particularly activist group leaders ... the "equality" they speak of is usually equality of outcome, it's not equal rights and rules and laws like gay marriage ... it's "this group has 10 apples, this group has 8 apples therefore oppression and we need equality" ... if someone points to an aspect of law or society and shows me that one group has access to something other groups don't, then I'm all for that equality (within reason, people pretending to be trans to get a Brazilian Wax excluded) but if someone says "there are more Chinese engineers in this industry than blacks, we need to change that", then nah.

I don't particularly see comparisons to Jordan Peterson as a criticism, Peterson is very correct on a lot of things and as we have discussed in the past, I agree with him that these people co-opt the oppressor/oppressed dichotomy of Marxism as their tactic in identity politics, everything I've watched over the past 4-5 years has reinforced this for me.

The diverse group of people who want "equality" don't actually want equality, I'm assuming that's why you put that in quotations, they want equalization of outcomes, they want representative proportions of different groups in industries, companies, etc etc ...

There's certain things he says where I think he's adopting that position because it's a position associated with his side (gun control for example) but the stance on identity politics has never really changed, he's become more waffley these days because he's now read a lot more of the identity politics literature and tends to use the type of language found in the texts ... it's strikes me more as someone who is self-educated on a subject mimicking the subject matter...
 
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