Carl Froch ordered to fight George Groves

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I don't mind this fight.

Booth has believed Groves has Froch's number for a while.
 
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How can you get a mandatory like that? Groves isnt even the highest ranked fighter after Stevenson???
 
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How is this a bad/poor fight? People's standards are getting stupid. If Froch had a load of other options I might interpret it as poor but there is nothing at 168 (Where Froch wants to stay) and Groves is arguably the most threatening contender to the world champions. Moreover, Froch defending against an unbeaten top 10 opponent from his own country. It's not exactly Yusuf Mack!

Ward - Long layoff/contractual wrangles. Both sides are lying if they say they really want the fight at the end of this year
Froch - N/A
Stieglitz - Signed a long term German TV deal and consequently has no interest in a Froch fight
Kessler - fans generally not interested in seeing a third fight.
Groves
Rodriguez - Ranked above Groves but turned down mandatory position so can assume he's not interested
Oosthuizen - Same as Rodriguez. Put in dreadful performance on Saturday.
Bika - More proven but always beaten by the real top tier. Many would put Groves in with him as the easiest route to the world title
Abraham - Already beaten and got pasted by Stieglitz
DeGale - Beaten by George. Equally unproven
What has Groves done to be anywhere near a shot at Groves, just because he is British and has talked abit about Froch doesn't make him worthy of a shot. With the possible backing of SBO Froch could get pretty much any opponent over, it doesn't prove anything beating an untested fighter and it also could potentially harm Groves career
 

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I'd happily see this fight next. I'd have to put Carl as a heavy favourite, but Groves certainly has enough talent to give him something to think about. One of the biggest concerns for me would be Froch looking at this as an easier fight and a step down in opposition, leading to complacency. But he is a honest professional and I'm sure he would take this challenge and seriously as any other at this stage of his career.
 
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Does look like this is going to happen.. I honestly think this could be a stinker of a fight. Booth knows the score and Groves is just not good enough defensively to keep his weak chin out of the way unless he runs all night.
 
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I'd happily see this fight next. I'd have to put Carl as a heavy favourite, but Groves certainly has enough talent to give him something to think about. One of the biggest concerns for me would be Froch looking at this as an easier fight and a step down in opposition, leading to complacency. But he is a honest professional and I'm sure he would take this challenge and seriously as any other at this stage of his career.
I've never been less concerned of complacency that I am with Froch.

His professionalism is something else.
 
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If this happens you can be 100% sure that Groves gets stopped. 100%!!! Groves just has not a very strong chin. It will look like Bute-Froch. Easy! I wouldnt feed Groves to Froch!
 

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I've never been less concerned of complacency that I am with Froch.

His professionalism is something else.
It definitely is, he is unreal in regards to his commitment to his craft. But with him giving Groves a pasting in sparring, I do have to wonder if that will cause him to think he can just walk straight through him. I'm sure he would be far too wise to let that have an impact though.

I can't understand why people think this is a particularly bad fight.
 
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What has Groves done to be anywhere near a shot at Groves, just because he is British and has talked abit about Froch doesn't make him worthy of a shot. With the possible backing of SBO Froch could get pretty much any opponent over, it doesn't prove anything beating an untested fighter and it also could potentially harm Groves career
Who is "pretty much any opponent"? I'm open to suggestions on middleweights or light-heavyweights that would take the fight and would be more deserving than George (Martin Murray perhaps?). The majority of worthy middles/light heavyweights are title-holders themselves, comfortable in their own weight class and have exposure on HBO/Showtime.

As I've pointed out, Groves is probably the best realistic defense Froch could make out of the super middleweights, box office or no box office. Saying he doesn't remotely deserve it is an exaggeration. Rightly or wrongly he is the mandatory and his standard of opposition is no worse than Kell Brook's (someone being slated for not stepping up) and he arguably has a better win than any of Kell's in Dr Chunkmeister. If Froch beat Groves, he is beating in my opinion the best super middleweight contender out there, someone fancied to beat the likes of Bika and possibly Stieglitz, and would be a good notch on his resume. If you need someone more proven, then that is a very shallow pool unfortunately.

Finally, the point about Groves' own career is daft, Groves fancies the job so has to accept the risks. I would actually put my money on Groves as although I admire Froch, I don't rate him as highly as others do in terms of ability.
 
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Who is "pretty much any opponent"? I'm open to suggestions on middleweights or light-heavyweights that would take the fight and would be more deserving than George (Martin Murray perhaps?). The majority of worthy middles/light heavyweights are title-holders themselves, comfortable in their own weight class and have exposure on HBO/Showtime.

As I've pointed out, Groves is probably the best realistic defense Froch could make out of the super middleweights, box office or no box office. Saying he doesn't remotely deserve it is an exaggeration. Rightly or wrongly he is the mandatory and his standard of opposition is no worse than Kell Brook's (someone being slated for not stepping up) and he arguably has a better win than any of Kell's in Dr Chunkmeister. If Froch beat Groves, he is beating in my opinion the best super middleweight contender out there, someone fancied to beat the likes of Bika and possibly Stieglitz, and would be a good notch on his resume. If you need someone more proven, then that is a very shallow pool unfortunately.

Finally, the point about Groves' own career is daft, Groves fancies the job so has to accept the risks. I would actually put my money on Groves as although I admire Froch, I don't rate him as highly as others do in terms of ability.
I'd rather see him face Murray, Chavez Jr, Golovkin, Hopkins, Stevenson. (I admit some of them aren't possible).

If Groves got a win against a Stieglitz or Bika then I wouldn't have much of a problem with it. What has he done he hasn't fought anyone decent since Degale which he scraped by, his recent opposition has been woeful and not the right type of opponents which you need to prepare for Froch. While Brook's opponents haven't been very good they have been much better than Groves' which have been terrible.

I don't think it is daft if Froch steemroles through Groves it will set him back a lot and could lead him to harming his development
 
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Don't see the problem with this fight. Everyone seems to rate Darren Barker and they all get happy for him when he gets title fights but who has Barker really beaten? Spada and Kerry Hope? :lol:

Martin Murray before he took on Sturm had beaten no one of note. After the Sturm fight he beat two no-names and got a Sergio fight. And unlike Barker and Murray (and even Macklin), Groves took care of the other domestic fighters in his division.

And the main thing is this fight will sell. It'll get a lot of mainstream attention and they'll sell a lot of tickets. Would love it though if this ends up going to purse bids cos Booth/Hearn can't agree a deal and Frank puts in a bit :lol:
 
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Groves is one of the only available contenders in the division to fight so I've got no problem with this. Hopefully Groves can beat someone like Steiglitz first, which will make him a more worthy challenger and then a 'unification' fight can be made. But then Eddie will milk it to fuck on PPV.
 
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If the fight is going to happen later this year, don't expect Groves to take on anyone too threatening during the meantime. Why risk the title shot/ pay day?
 
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groves is getting through the keep busy fights

his matchroom deal will be up soon and he will be off to boxnation for another 3
 

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I do like this fight, as a big believer in Groves, but I do think it's a tad early for him. Groves has a decent chance, but I would say the fight is 65/35 in Froch's favour.
 
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groves is rated highly everywhere sooner or later hes guna have to bite the bullet and take a fight

froch will be most money least chance of winning probably