Saw him on This Week a few programmes ago and it was a bit tragic. He's obviously had a bad time with substance abuse and mental health. I admired his balls going on to the show and he was saying he'd be doing the Edinburgh Festival this year but he didn't seem ready to be back in public, he still seemed a fucking mess.Tony Slattery
I wrote a long post up about this a while back, I went through quite a few imdb profiles to see when a bunch of popular actors and actresses got their big break and when they started to decline. Men are the same really, they just generally start later. There weren't that many (male or female) actors that had real longevity in their careers outside of the really big names that come to mind when you think of acting talent (multiple oscar winners and nominees) or the real superstars. 10-15 years, 20 at a stretch. A lot of females got their break in their early-mid 20s, which is why there's so many complaints about work drying up when they hit 40. Many males got their break later in life, some as late as mid to late 30s, and they worked consistently until their 50s when the work really slowed down. This was particularly extreme in the (male and female) actors who were famous pretty much just for being hot, even if they were talented but just leaned too heavily on one type of role. Think of all the teen heartthrobs who couldn't find themselves a role once the audience couldn't buy them as a high school student any more.Actresses, especially attractive ones generally have a 10-15 year window to cram in as much work as hey can until their phone stops ringing. I’d have paid good money to see Neve Campbell’s tits in the year 2000, now I’d only pay decent money. Age takes no prisoners.
I have been hearing this for years, and it's never sat well with me. The recent trend of attractive aging female celebrities spurred me on to have a quick look at it and it makes even less sense to me now.
The above article brings out a bunch of aging female celebrities that should be getting more acting work. Included on the list are the likes of Carrie-Anne Moss, Michelle Yeoh and Penelope Ann Miller
Carrie-Anne Moss is famous almost exclusively for starring in The Matrix Trilogy. She's not really done anything outside of that which would make her stand out as an actress that should be getting starring roles.
Michelle Yeoh is similar in that the only thing she's really done is Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon and a few character roles, again, nothing to indicate star power..
Penelope Ann Miller was a huge star in the early 90s, but then she starred in The Shadow, which was a huge flop and even put a dent in Alec Baldwins career. She then went to Broadway for a few years before returning to film and starring in The Relic, which didn't do anything special. She's since been working consistently in TV and film.
Also included on that list is Jennifer Tilly and Geena Davis.
Jennifer Tilly was never a star. She has always been a character actor. She's been working consistently in film and TV since the 80s and she is also a successful poker player.
Geena Davis was huge in the late 80s and early 90s until she appeared in a few flops, including Cutthroat Island which was in the Guinness book of records for being the biggest flop of all time. Cutthroat Island was directed by her then husband Renny Harlin. In the following years, they got divorced, she got re-married and started a family in the early 2000s. She hasn't done much since then except for a failed TV series and a few bit parts and recurring roles on TV.
Geena Davis built her early career largely on her looks (she had an amazing body), one of the plot point of A League of Their Own was that her character was hot, so people would want to watch her play baseball. Earth Girls are Easy was made because even aliens wanted to fuck her.
Obviously her looks have faded and her body is not what it used to be, so those kind of roles aren't going to be available to her.
I brought up Geena Davis because she starred alongside Susan Sarandon.
Susan Sarandon has been working consistently in television and film since the 70s. She has been nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actress 5 times and has been nominated for literally dozens of other awards including 7 Golden Globes. Obviously she has aged very well, which almost certainly helps, but she also didn't build her early career on the foundation of how hot she was.
Meryl Streep is probably the greatest actress of all time, and has also been working consistently since the mid 70s. She was once told she was too ugly to be in movies, but she acted the shit out of every roles she's ever had and will be remembered for exactly that.
Sally field isn't making it on to anyones 'aging celebrities you'd fornicate with' list, but she's been working consistently since the 60s and has been nominated for a bunch of Academy and Golden Globe awards, as well as dozens of others.
There are a bunch of other actresses we could discuss, but that should be enough to get started, and they were the first ones I could thing of while googling.
So, is it Hollywood that is superficial and only interested in hot young lady-flesh to star in their movies? Is it the movie-going public who won't buy tickets unless the movie is starring said hot young lady-flesh? Or is it that actresses who build their early career simply on their looks without developing their acting talent and without broadening their profile that find the roles dry up as soon as their looks do?
They've both made a bit of a comeback in recent years surprisingly.Goldie Hawn and her SO Kurt Russell
Pretty spot on I think. Must be soul destroying for the ones that get left out in the cold. I imagine they think it will never end and then slowly over time it's gone.
Tobey Maguire is a producer now and Brandon Routh went into television.Pretty spot on I think. Must be soul destroying for the ones that get left out in the cold. I imagine they think it will never end and then slowly over time it's gone.
I brought up that Robert Pattinson bloke earlier in the thread and only recently found out that he was supposed to be doing good stuff in the indies. Probably realised early on that if he didn't make a change he'd always be know as the Twilight bloke. Now he's Batman so his stock has gone up bigger than before.
Speaking of Superheroes, what happened to Tobey Maguire. Last time I remember him having a film out was the Gatsby one and that must have been 5 or 6 years ago. That fella that played Superman in Superman Returns dropped off the planet as well.
The producing is probably a good move. Routh probably thought he had it made after getting the Superman gig. The film itself wasn't that good but he probably assumed he'd get more milage out of it.Tobey Maguire is a producer now and Brandon Routh went into television.
Van Damme got old and bought a lot into his own hype, by all accounts he had quite an ego on him. He really strikes me as the kind of guy who thought he could do no wrong and it eventually bit him in the arse. He became more self aware in his later years and he made some really good films, like JCVD, The Expendables 2, one of the most recent Universal Soldier movies was good too. If you get half a chance track down Jean Claude van Johnson, it's a 6 episode TV series, it was cancelled after one season but it is absolutely brilliant.The producing is probably a good move. Routh probably thought he had it made after getting the Superman gig. The film itself wasn't that good but he probably assumed he'd get more milage out of it.
Martial arts stars like Seagal, Van Damme etc are in the same boat. I know they're still working but but it's all utterly forgettable straight to DVD shit. They're old now too but they were big stars in the 80's and 90's. There doesn't even seem to be room for a modern day action star like them anymore.