CHB Baseball Thread - Cubs v Indians World Series

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Yeah, the Indians shouldn't feel down on themselves. I remember when my team, the Mets swept the Cubs last year, and Cubs fans were devastated about the quick exit, and even a lot of the more optimistic Cubs fans were ready to give up on any chance of them ever winning the whole thing. Here they are a year later, and not only defeat the Dodgers and Giants, but come back to win after being down 3-1 in this one with the last 2 on the road. Cleveland could easily do the same thing in the next year or two. Also, yeah, a lot of class all around, it was a great night to be a baseball fan. I think I've enjoyed baseball more the last 5 years than at any time since I was a kid.
When the Red Sox went up 3-0 against the Cardinals before finishing the WS sweep in St Louis in 2004, those fans were very congratulatory and cordial towards Bostonians there. (Remember, the Cards defeated the Bosox for that title in 1946 and 1967.)

There's a civility which was lacking a few decades ago. With the season and WS cancellation in 1994 followed by the PED scandals, MLB didn't have room for much more error.

Did you notice that when past great Cubs players like Ernie Banks, Fergie Jenkins, and Ron Santo were repeatedly mentioned that Sammy Sosa was very conspicuously excluded from that company? I didn't hear his name once, and for me that was a welcome exclusion. (Mark Trumbo topped out at a believable 47 HR for the AL Orioles, Arenado and Carter tied with an expectable 41 each in the NL for this year. HR numbers like 66, 64 & 63 for Sosa over 15 years ago? Really? I'm glad mention of him was frozen out of last night.)
 

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Sorry about that last ugly outburst, but when I look at the obscene home run numbers of Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds, Jr., and Mark McGuire, I see red. Hank Aaron never hit more than 47 in a season.
 
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Sorry about that last ugly outburst, but when I look at the obscene home run numbers of Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds, Jr., and Mark McGuire, I see red. Hank Aaron never hit more than 47 in a season.
Understandable. I feel baseball is in a really healthy place right now though. Unbelievably deep pool of young talent and the numbers have gone down to realistic levels.
 
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Did you notice that when past great Cubs players like Ernie Banks, Fergie Jenkins, and Ron Santo were repeatedly mentioned that Sammy Sosa was very conspicuously excluded from that company? I didn't hear his name once, and for me that was a welcome exclusion. (Mark Trumbo topped out at a believable 47 HR for the AL Orioles, Arenado and Carter tied with an expectable 41 each in the NL for this year. HR numbers like 66, 64 & 63 for Sosa over 15 years ago? Really? I'm glad mention of him was frozen out of last night.)
Yep, totally took note of that. Fuck Sammy Sosa. This gets back to what I said a while ago about why, as a White Sox fan, I'm glad it's this Cubs team that did it, and not those Sosa teams of the late 90s/early 2000s. These guys are so much easier to root for. How do you, as a baseball fan, not like guys like Rizzo? Or Fowler? When the Sox won it in 2005, one of the big headlines was how the Cubs were a bunch of overpaid assholes, and the Sox were kind of a ragtag group that made you want to root for them. I'm glad they turned over the roster (several times over by this point) and won with guys that fit the Banks, Jenkins, Santo mold. (Although Santo was heavily disliked in his day.)
 
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Completely unrelated, but I've been watching Frank Thomas on television for about 30 years now, and I'm never not surprised about what a giant human being he is.
 
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Also Terry Francona is a G. I lived in Connecticut for a year, the year after the Red Sox won it, and every Red Sox fan I knew talked so much shit about that guy. I was like, why? He seems pretty fucking good to me.
 
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Yeah. I wonder if it was a mistake to leave Allen out there after the rain delay. His stuff looked ok, they just put some great ab,s on him. Cubs took that game. They deserve it

At least we won't have to listen to them moan anymore about the curse
That rain delay, in retrospect, was very good news for the Cubs.

Seemed like everyone who took the mound for the Indians was struggling. Kluber sure as fuck did not look himself. Neither did Miller. Kluber makes sense as he was on 3 days rest. The rest doesn't totally add up.
 
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Mets should get better too. The nl is stacked right now. Lots of teams that could win it. And I bet they still don't win the damn all star game, that one seems to be in their heads
Yeah, I am actually cautiously optimistic about the Mets next year as long as they resign Cespedes. Everyone knows the best thing about us is our starting pitching, and we made it to the wild card game despite all of the injury problems to our starters we had this year. If we have good health with our starters, and we resign Cespedes, we have a good chance of going on another deep playoff run like 2015.
 
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Understandable. I feel baseball is in a really healthy place right now though. Unbelievably deep pool of young talent and the numbers have gone down to realistic levels.
You never answered me m8, how did you get into baseball? You like basketball (which I quite like too tbf) and baseball, do you like NFL or ice hockey?
 
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When the Red Sox went up 3-0 against the Cardinals before finishing the WS sweep in St Louis in 2004, those fans were very congratulatory and cordial towards Bostonians there. (Remember, the Cards defeated the Bosox for that title in 1946 and 1967.)

There's a civility which was lacking a few decades ago. With the season and WS cancellation in 1994 followed by the PED scandals, MLB didn't have room for much more error.

Did you notice that when past great Cubs players like Ernie Banks, Fergie Jenkins, and Ron Santo were repeatedly mentioned that Sammy Sosa was very conspicuously excluded from that company? I didn't hear his name once, and for me that was a welcome exclusion. (Mark Trumbo topped out at a believable 47 HR for the AL Orioles, Arenado and Carter tied with an expectable 41 each in the NL for this year. HR numbers like 66, 64 & 63 for Sosa over 15 years ago? Really? I'm glad mention of him was frozen out of last night.)
Yeah, fuck Sammy Sosa. The sad thing about it is that he was actually one of my favorite players in the late 90s. Not only was he cheating with the steroids, but with a corked fucking bat too.

Yeah, '94 was a sad year for my 12 year old self. I remember when they came back, there was a lot of hostility with the fans not wanting to go to some games, a lot of the fans were also on strike. I was living in New York, and I remember a lot of sad Yankee fans being upset because they were in first place and they didn't get to finish the season. Keep in mind though this was before the later 90s and early 00s success, and they had not won in a while, so the kids around my age or a little older weren't "spoiled" yet by vintage New York Yankee success. The fucking Expos though, lol, that was their only chance lol
 
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Sorry about that last ugly outburst, but when I look at the obscene home run numbers of Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds, Jr., and Mark McGuire, I see red. Hank Aaron never hit more than 47 in a season.
The interesting thing about Hank is that the career high of 47 hr happened when he was 37 years old. A testament to his consistency and durability though of his homerun hitting. Just steady accumulation.
 

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You never answered me m8, how did you get into baseball? You like basketball (which I quite like too tbf) and baseball, do you like NFL or ice hockey?
I fucking hate sporting droughts, so when seasons of certain sports are over and there's nothing on for months on end I need something to watch. Basically started watching a few games that were on ESPN/BT here and there and then the whole historical element of it intrigued me. I'm a huge stats nerd so the analytics stuff in baseball is like porn to me, can't get enough of it. The average game can be boring as fuck to be fair, but I normally stay up late enough that I put it on in the background.

I also like the NFL but their product is very weak at the moment, with shitty rule changes and no really good teams so I haven't been keeping track too much this season other than my team (Ravens). I try keep it all geographically similar so the Baltimore Ravens, Baltimore Orioles and kinda the Washington Wizards but their GM is so WOAT that it's a pointless endeavor watching them. NBA is so GOAT though that I can enjoy it without rooting for one team.
 
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I fucking hate sporting droughts, so when seasons of certain sports are over and there's nothing on for months on end I need something to watch. Basically started watching a few games that were on ESPN/BT here and there and then the whole historical element of it intrigued me. I'm a huge stats nerd so the analytics stuff in baseball is like porn to me, can't get enough of it. The average game can be boring as fuck to be fair, but I normally stay up late enough that I put it on in the background.

I also like the NFL but their product is very weak at the moment, with shitty rule changes and no really good teams so I haven't been keeping track too much this season other than my team (Ravens). I try keep it all geographically similar so the Baltimore Ravens, Baltimore Orioles and kinda the Washington Wizards but their GM is so WOAT that it's a pointless endeavor watching them. NBA is so GOAT though that I can enjoy it without rooting for one team.


Yet you don't like GAA, Rugby etc.?

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Yeah, fuck Sammy Sosa. The sad thing about it is that he was actually one of my favorite players in the late 90s. Not only was he cheating with the steroids, but with a corked fucking bat too.

Yeah, '94 was a sad year for my 12 year old self. I remember when they came back, there was a lot of hostility with the fans not wanting to go to some games, a lot of the fans were also on strike. I was living in New York, and I remember a lot of sad Yankee fans being upset because they were in first place and they didn't get to finish the season. Keep in mind though this was before the later 90s and early 00s success, and they had not won in a while, so the kids around my age or a little older weren't "spoiled" yet by vintage New York Yankee success. The fucking Expos though, lol, that was their only chance lol
That same sort of crap happened with the 1981 strike, where the Cardinals and Reds had the best National League records, yet got excluded from the playoffs, thanks to an asinine split season format. (Compounding matters the following year was the fact of St Louis winning it all.) In 1994, many long time fans resentful of the Expos getting to the postseason in 1981 felt Montreal's exclusion in 1994 was karmic retribution.

Were the LA Dodgers the best MLB team in 1981? With the Reds and Cardinals excluded, it was the first of two times this Red Sox fan was rooting for the Yankees to give that WS outcome a semblance of credibility. (It's pretty well known I was also rooting for them against the Diamondbacks in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.)

Fucking 'roids actually revived baseball after 1994, and the villainous "hero" of the whole episode was Jose Canseco, who created ridiculous home run numbers by sticking PED needles into the butts of those players, and then helped restore the integrity of the game by exposing those needle punctured butts. (Damn. That feels like rooting for Hitler and the Nazis against Stalin and the USSR in Finland!)
 

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I fucking hate sporting droughts, so when seasons of certain sports are over and there's nothing on for months on end I need something to watch. Basically started watching a few games that were on ESPN/BT here and there and then the whole historical element of it intrigued me. I'm a huge stats nerd so the analytics stuff in baseball is like porn to me, can't get enough of it. The average game can be boring as fuck to be fair, but I normally stay up late enough that I put it on in the background.

I also like the NFL but their product is very weak at the moment, with shitty rule changes and no really good teams so I haven't been keeping track too much this season other than my team (Ravens). I try keep it all geographically similar so the Baltimore Ravens, Baltimore Orioles and kinda the Washington Wizards but their GM is so WOAT that it's a pointless endeavor watching them. NBA is so GOAT though that I can enjoy it without rooting for one team.
I remember the Baltimore Bullets winning the 1978 NBA Championship (you don't live in Boston Celtics territory and not be acutely aware of who else gains that title if it's not your team). Articles were written about what a low key titleholder that team was where the revered NFL Colts were the premiere sports franchise. Portland's Trail Blazers got a lot more attention with Bill Walton in 1977, as the Seattle Supersonics would in 1979 with Dennis Johnson. The 1978 Bullets had arguably the lowest profile of any NBA Champion ever.
 

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The interesting thing about Hank is that the career high of 47 hr happened when he was 37 years old. A testament to his consistency and durability though of his homerun hitting. Just steady accumulation.
Prior to Florida acquiring their own MLB teams, the Atlanta Braves were the de facto home team for the American southeast, and Hank was absolutely revered by Braves fans.

A few outstanding seasons doesn't cut it for Baseball HOF consideration. That one has to play in the majors for at least ten years is among the things which makes it the most prestigious HOF. Aaron, like Ripkin, Jr. is exemplary, and unlike many ATG individuals, they ARE championship winners.

I was watching like most other television viewers when he broke the HR record. It was like the Apollo 11 moon landing in anticipation, an absolutely monstrous event.

Got nothing but respect for him, and hope he lives to be 100.

The MLB HR record stands at 755, period. Even with PEDs blowing his head up to watermelon size, Bonds was only able to get 7 HRs above that number. I wonder what Hank might have done cheating like that? I also wonder how far short of Aaron's current 82 years of age Bonds will fall?
 

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Cal's consecutive games record is one of the greatest in sports history. I honestly can't see it being broken, ever.