Chinese markets are still selling bats.

SwollenGoat

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The shit like bat soup is actually more of a delicacy of the affluent in these places from what I can gather.
sure...............so is birdsnest and raw oysters and any number of things.............

it just so happens that this time it was a 'delicacy' and not subsistence level bush meat or something........

next time it may be from a long domesticated farm animal or pet..............
 

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I agree that solving poverty and population numbers would go a big way to solving a lot of issues. As would reducing inequality, and increasing the rights of women etc.

A lot of people eating this stuff are not poor however, and China is not strictly capitalist.

Also, just because we are currently incapable of solving the big issues doesn't mean we shouldn't take the smaller steps that will make the world a better place.

Bearing that in mind, China should be capable of shutting these markets down and introducing decent food standards if it helps reduce the possibility of future coronavirus outbreaks.

They have certainly achieved more in the past when they wanted to. It's just a matter of where their priorities are.
I suspect they could say the same thing about the west and shit like mad cow,no?

I mean,we dont HAVE to eat cows.............and who knows what next level shit cows are going to spring on us?

But,ya,we agree in large.........

Its a complex problem but a lot of folks just want to blame it on bat soup and the chinese,not understanding this is just an event in a long chain of similar ones...........
 
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I suspect they could say the same thing about the west and shit like mad cow,no?

I mean,we dont HAVE to eat cows.............and who knows what next level shit cows are going to spring on us?

But,ya,we agree in large.........

Its a complex problem but a lot of folks just want to blame it on bat soup and the chinese,not understanding this is just an event in a long chain of similar ones...........
I personally think we shouldn't eat cows, but I'm not going to chastise individual people if they do. I am happy for the government and food industry to be held to account though.

The UK received loads of bad press and trade bans because of the mad cow disease scandal. People lost their jobs, lessons were learned, and things improved.

China should follow suit.
 

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The west needs to start pulling manufacturing away from china. No more pound shop headphones.
India would be able to become the factory for the west that China has been, so from the long term health of Europe, it'd be wise to start the move away from China and into countries like India. They'd be a much better trading partner and China deserves to suffer economically.
 

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India would be able to become the factory for the west that China has been, so from the long term health of Europe, it'd be wise to start the move away from China and into countries like India. They'd be a much better trading partner and China deserves to suffer economically.
Be nice to get some manufacturing jobs back home. Failing that then yeah India would of be better.
 
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I personally think we shouldn't eat cows, but I'm not going to chastise individual people if they do. I am happy for the government and food industry to be held to account though.

The UK received loads of bad press and trade bans because of the mad cow disease scandal. People lost their jobs, lessons were learned, and things improved.

China should follow suit.
While Mad cow disease did see the UK have immediate bans on beef exports once the threat was clear, I'm not sure what we could do to China in terms of trade limitations, it's not like banning bat exports will do anything, it's a very different situation.

China won't do anything unless it's made to do so unfortunately. There needs to be clear repercussions in case of any future potential pandemics and currently there isn't anything to suggest that there are any, though we are still in the thick of the pandemic. I mean if 10-15 years from now once this all blows over and another virus mutates and starts infecting people in China and our response is the same, I again don't expect China to change and history again to repeat itself.

After this all blows over there needs to be a lot of serious decisions that need to be made to prevent future pandemics that could cripple economies and overwhelm a nations healthcare services. Fact is the threat has been well known but it's never been taken seriously, much like the environment, we know we are slowly heading towards disaster but as long as it seems it's some point in the future we'll keep delaying making the big sacrifices to change our path, even making excuses, because it's easier to push back the hard decisions to a later date than suffer now even if it means a greater price to pay later on.

In the future nations responses to potential pandemics need to be far more drastic and severe, it's better to overreact than under react. When the next threat emerges, travel bans need to immediately be placed on countries with infected. None of this BS from government with "advice" to not travel, because it's clear people will ignore it and do what they like. China needs to see that when the next disease emerges there, which let's be honest currently it's an inevitability, that their country will immediately be locked down and forced to isolate themselves from the rest of the world until it's clear there is no greater threat.
 

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What would be the ecological knock on impact of just eradicating these fucking things from the planet... I wouldn't miss 'em tbh.

I had one fly into my house one night, smashing around like a little blind cunt.

Any animal that's born blind should have been selected by nature for extinction anyway. Except moles, they're alright.
Yea they’re the fucking worst. I’m pretty sure they’re important ecologically though unfortunately.

cholera was solved by way of better sanitation

small pox wasnt..............

yes,we can and will make incremental changes in all the ways we can prevent this shit as we march into the future............thats the way of the world

but we CANT simply stop it............there are BILLIONS of people who dont give a single shit about your [or my] feelings on the matter because they are dirt fucking poor and will eat that bush meat or bat soup or whatever because thats how they will live through the current day..............

POVERTY and the ever increasing human population need to be addressed before we can worry about sanitation,living conditions and the like but POVERTY seems like one of the last things capitalism is worried about..............

ANyway,prevention will help..............but its not the solution as biology is always going to find ways round it,eh?

You aint wrong,but I think the problem is a lot deeper than simply closing up a few exotic markets...........

And,lets be fair,'exotic' is kinda a cultural distinction and we are not going to quickly change millennia old cultures,eh?
Yea I agree with your general sentiment but the bats specifically have to fucking go.
 
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Vic

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They eat bats raw ? Surely if you cook them in hot fire well enough the virus would die ?

I mean, yeah I know I know they are super poor and hungry.... but I can make a fire without spending 1 fucking dollar, you don´t need money for that.... just don´t be lazy and dumb.... so, you can eat a bat cooked, and clean of bacterias and viruses that will fuck the whole world and everybody we know!
 

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all right

fuck bats

:lol:

Can't fuck bats. They're too small. They do give good oral though. :yep

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/phenomena/2013/03/28/youve-seen-fruit-bat-fellatio-now-fruit-bat-cunnilingus/

You’ve Seen Fruit Bat Fellatio. Now: Fruit Bat Cunnilingus

Oral sex in bats is clearly a hot area of research. In just four years, the number of papers on this topic has doubled from, er, one to two.
It started in 2009, with a study that described regular fellatio among the short-nosed fruit bat. It earned its authors an Ignobel Prize in 2010. Here’s what I wrote about it at the time:
The short-nosed fruit bat’s (Cynopterus sphinx) sexual antics have only just been recorded by Min Tan of China’s Guangdong Entomological Institute (who are either branching out, or are confused about entomology). Tan captured 60 wild bats from a nearby park, housed them in pairs of the opposite sex and voyeuristically filmed their liaisons using a night-time camera. Twenty of the bats got busy, and their exploits were all caught on video.
 
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So, there we have it. The response it that bats, pangolins and Chinese wet markets/exotic animal trading has sweet fuckall to do with this and stopping or restricting these activities will achieve nothing; they’re absolutely no different or more dangerous than eating Wagyu beef that was slaughtered in an abattoir in Kobe. So, keep washing your hands and your social distancing because there are no preventative measure we can employ. Putting any force on China is completely uncalled for and futile.

Of course, globalisation and intense, mass farming methods have played their part in the past and will do again in the future but to fail to dismiss these wet markets and Chinese methods of storage, transfer, slaughter (of exotic animals) and lack of ability to address new viruses, is irresponsible.

Maybe if Trump agreed, the response would have been 180 degrees different? Oh well, we will almost certainly have another four years of him.
 

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So, there we have it. The response it that bats, pangolins and Chinese wet markets/exotic animal trading has sweet fuckall to do with this and stopping or restricting these activities will achieve nothing; they’re absolutely no different or more dangerous than eating Wagyu beef that was slaughtered in an abattoir in Kobe. So, keep washing your hands and your social distancing because there are no preventative measure we can employ. Putting any force on China is completely uncalled for and futile.

Of course, globalisation and intense, mass farming methods have played their part in the past and will do again in the future but to fail to dismiss these wet markets and Chinese methods of storage, transfer, slaughter (of exotic animals) and lack of ability to address new viruses, is irresponsible.

Maybe if Trump agreed, the response would have been 180 degrees different? Oh well, we will almost certainly have another four years of him.
It´s just about hygiene in the end. 100% sure that no virus will come from a Kobe cow in Japan....
 

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It´s just about hygiene in the end. 100% sure that no virus will come from a Kobe cow in Japan....
nope

its not about 'hygiene' at all

its a biological process where a virus mutates and that allows it to jump species..............and then we have no resistance because we have no evolutionary history with it....

the next one could be a virus that only infects cats,for instance,that mutates,jumps to humans and becomes the next smallpox
 

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nope

its not about 'hygiene' at all

its a biological process where a virus mutates and that allows it to jump species..............and then we have no resistance because we have no evolutionary history with it....

the next one could be a virus that only infects cats,for instance,that mutates,jumps to humans and becomes the next smallpox
How did this virus happened ? Certainly it wasn´t by just looking at bats. There are bats right inside the roof of my house, these little fuckers reproduce like crazy... it´s impossible to kill them all...

Sure, a cat could do it too.... but just catching a cat in your hands would do it ? No right.... no...
 

SwollenGoat

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How did this virus happened ? Certainly it wasn´t by just looking at bats. There are bats right inside the roof of my house, these little fuckers reproduce like crazy... it´s impossible to kill them all...

Sure, a cat could do it too.... but just catching a cat in your hands would do it ? No right.... no...
you misunderstand

the virus is NEW...............or we would have seen it before

its almost certainly a mutated version of one bats already had......or something else already had ..........but humans couldnt catch it before.............but it mutated and now we can.........


see?

that could happen in a hundred other ways..............like my cat example.............or examples like smallpox............

so a virus that we couldnt catch before mutates so we can and then its a question of exposure.............and since its new to the human species,we have no natural defense.............