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Thing with hospitals being "not near capacity" is that you can't expect hospital staff, already depleted in PPE supplies and personnel, to deal with full capacity hospitals, in which 90-95% of the patients are COVID (+). I've been on the end of some crazy assignments in my day and I could not imagine having 10 coronavirus patients to look after, or on-call physicians having 80-100 to oversee...

The best that we could have hoped for was to have staff brought in from all over the country to deal with the load, but that never seemed to materialize.
I would agree but you know that many physicians, nurse practitioners, and physician assistants have been furloughed? There were 2 weeks where it seemed like the curve was going to overwhelm hospitals. I'm not advocating against the lock down, we had to do it otherwise our hospitals would have been overwhelmed.

https://thecity.nyc/2020/05/brooklyn-field-hospital-in-red-hook-shuts-after-no-patients.html

But when the field hospitals were not even utilized then it rubs me the wrong way.
 
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steviebruno

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I would agree but you know that many physicians, nurse practitioners, and physician assistants have been furloughed? There were 2 weeks where it seemed like the curve was going to overwhelm hospitals. I'm not advocating against the lock down, we had to do it otherwise our hospitals would have been overwhelmed.

https://thecity.nyc/2020/05/brooklyn-field-hospital-in-red-hook-shuts-after-no-patients.html

But when the field hospitals were not even utilized then it rubs me the wrong way.
It does seem, Touche, that the COVID patients could have been transitioned to the field hospitals instead of going to nursing homes. I would probably have to read up to understand why did did not (could not?) happen. It's always going to come down to billing, but I don't know the logistics of this one.
 
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Haggis

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My mother is a nurse a nursing home in NJ and they lost 20 out of 100 patients to Covid-19. This could have been avoided if they were treated in ICU beds instead of being sent back to the homes without being OK'd.
Your mother's nursing home lost as many people as this entire country has. :lol:

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Haggis

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Yes it´s true. But it was expected, the bigger the country is the bigger the number of people with this shit. Brazil is by far the biggest country in south america..
Also by far the biggest destructive, science-hating moron for a leader. Which has completely fucked you.

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Haggis

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Thing with hospitals being "not near capacity" is that you can't expect hospital staff, already depleted in PPE supplies and personnel, to deal with full capacity hospitals, in which 90-95% of the patients are COVID (+). I've been on the end of some crazy assignments in my day and I could not imagine having 10 coronavirus patients to look after, or on-call physicians having 80-100 to oversee...
Faux Noise anchors will call you a hero before ordering you back to work with insufficient protection though, so what are you bitching about you fucking peasant? Is that not enough?

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It does seem, Touche, that the COVID patients could have been transitioned to the field hospitals instead of going to nursing homes. I would probably have to read up to understand why did did not (could not?) happen. It's always going to come down to billing, by I don't know the logistics of this one.
I think it was incompetence from an administrative and logistical level top to bottom. Love or hate Florida, they have the highest number of senior citizens/nursing homes and were able to isolate them from regular Covid-19 patients.

We will probably never know the true numbers of many people died because of these errors but it's quite apparent that Cuomo is unwilling to address it.
 
Jun 4, 2013
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https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764

Remdesivir likely passes clinical trials by meeting primary outcome. Well, it's a relatively safe antiviral, but had the same death rates as the placebo. They said that the stock dropped slightly. The timing had to 100% be for a reason. Anyways, antivirals won't get us out of this pandemic. Populace isn't sufficiently educated or insured to think Remdesivir would be a game-changer. Not sure how the media will spin it.
 

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https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764

Remdesivir likely passes clinical trials by meeting primary outcome. Well, it's a relatively safe antiviral, but had the same death rates as the placebo. They said that the stock dropped slightly. The timing had to 100% be for a reason. Anyways, antivirals won't get us out of this pandemic. Populace isn't sufficiently educated or insured to think Remdesivir would be a game-changer. Not sure how the media will spin it.
What about Hydroxychloroquine?

Didn't you drop in and say some shit about it a week ago (because of that phoney fucking study that you didnt even bother reading)?
 
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What about Hydroxychloroquine?

Didn't you drop in and say some shit about it a week ago (because of that phoney fucking study that you didnt even bother reading)?
Again, hydroxychloroquine is a possible treatment. Novartis hasn't completed their P3 trial from what I've read since I've not seen an update. Trust me, if there was no medical benefit, it wouldn't even get a trial. I don't know what world you live in, but it is difficult as fuck to even get from preclinical to clinicals. The fact that we're even at this stage shows it has some medical benefit. It isn't just a shot in the dark.

You need to give it sufficient opportunity just like remdesivir got. Remember, remdesivir failed a clinical trial in China, which was leaked by the WHO a while back. Imagine if we quit just because of that.

I've already stated that antivirals are risky and have limited efficacy. Same happened with remdesivir, which seems to be a treatment that is impossible to truly have an effect in a real-world setting. Hydroxychloroquine might be a better option with higher survival and higher risk. Just depends on the data given by the large-scale trial. Anyways, here is a quote from the researchers. I don't read discussions all that much. I'm assuming this is from their discussion.

"However, given high mortality despite the use of remdesivir, it is clear that treatment with an antiviral drug alone is not likely to be sufficient," they added. "Future strategies should evaluate antiviral agents in combination with other therapeutic approaches or combinations of antiviral agents to continue to improve patient outcomes in Covid-19."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/health/remdesivir-covid-19-trial-results-nejm-study/index.html

Straight from the researchers mouth. This isn't a fucking competition you TDS-having cunt. There can exist a world where more than one antiviral approach can be incorporated. I can imagine if Trump touted remdesivir you'd be up in arms right now about it.

A pharmacological approach, though, is possible if you are staring economic collapse in the face. It's something scientists typically do not assess when they look at risk. Hence, you really need economists and businessmen at the table.

By the way, do you know how limited medicine is, Johnstown? You're talking to someone that lives in this area. Drug-dosage and targeting is horribly antiquated with how slow medicine has been to accepting pharmocogenetics and network medicine. So yeah, consider everyone being in danger when taking any drug because dosage algorithms are still in the dark ages as long as we don't include genetic sequencing in our medical analyses.

And stop stalking me, Johnstown, you TDS-having cunt!
 
Jun 4, 2013
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Guys, a good friend of mine says convalescent plasma works really well.

this thing is cured.
This is the one treatment I think will go nowhere if I were betting. Again, who knows how the biology will work. More than 50% of promising clinical trials end in failure. With antibodies, I feel like you need to be a lot more targeted, and I feel like that isn't there with the blood-plasma treatment. I still think this one is going nowhere, but I think Sorrento's screened antibody-cocktail is a lot more promising. Maybe it has to do with my bias for targeted therapeutics, but it seems more logically sound.

Who knows, though. No one really knows or else all these experts wouldn't be racing to get the most promising vaccine, antiviral, or antibody therapy out.
 
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I have been using the same N95 mask for 2 months now. Mind you I only use it every now and then. No need to throw them out lol or send them to be disinfected just store them and let any potential virus on them die naturally lol.

Yes you have to study how Covid lasts on masks and store your mask in a organized matter.

If you go out every day you might want 7 masks, maybe 14 if you wanted to use 2 a day. And you just cycle them in order. That would give your mask 7 days to naturally disinfect.
I just wash mine after every time I go out, if hand washing with soap kills it then simply washing it will do the same. I also bought one with extra filters and respirator valves and change them regularly. I have enough to last me another 8 months.

Might order some extras, this virus isn't going away anytime soon. One of my best mates works at the London University of hygiene and tropical medicine one of the guys there has been made the head of the EU task force to deal with Covid and according to my mate they expect 2 more waves this year and that university will not reopen until at least another year, Cambridge university have apparently done the same, all classes cancelled all learning will be online now until next summer, you'll likely see most universities do the same pretty soon.
 
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Why is Candace Owens coming out to bat for Dominic Cummings, and referring to him by his first name?

Let's not pretend they aren't linked. I don't want that imbecile involved in our politics.

 
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Cummings should go. The chief medical officer in Scotland quit when she broke the rules, Dr pantsdown quit when he got caught boffing that married woman.

The media should apply the same level of pressure here until he quits.

Fwiw, I didn't want the Scottish chief medical officer to quit. I think an apology and abiding by the rules would be better than making changes during a pandemic.

Now we have set the precedent though, and Cummings knew about it, then he has to go really. Plus he seems a properly horrible guy.
 
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Went out for lunch to this ribs and burger joint today. First time I’ve been out to eat since March.

had to write down my name, email and phone number for potential contact tracing.

Wasnt a big deal. Don’t think the local burger place is going to be spying or trying to steal my identity or anything malicious. It’s good to know I can be reached if I perhaps came in contact with someone who’s got the bug
 
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Cummings should go. The chief medical officer in Scotland quit when she broke the rules, Dr pantsdown quit when he got caught boffing that married woman.

The media should apply the same level of pressure here until he quits.

Fwiw, I didn't want the Scottish chief medical officer to quit. I think an apology and abiding by the rules would be better than making changes during a pandemic.

Now we have set the precedent though, and Cummings knew about it, then he has to go really. Plus he seems a properly horrible guy.
He's untouchable. I would love to know what dirt he has on Boris. He basically owns the PM.