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But aren't the serological antibody tests more accurate and why shouldn't they be counted, a positive test is a positive right? Also if they were not counted before that just means the numbers before were wrong and the number of cases were higher so they should of never eased the lockdown in the first place if there were more cases than they were willing to admit.
 
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But aren't the serological antibody tests more accurate and why shouldn't they be counted, a positive test is a positive right? Also if they were not counted before that just means the numbers before were wrong and the number of cases were higher so they should of never eased the lockdown in the first place if there were more cases than they were willing to admit.

I would think that positive cases were people with the active virus. So now we're counting those that were asymptomatic & have the antibody? I think we have to stop looking at case numbers then. If we're still using the number of cases, or active cases and using the antibody test to gauge those numbers then we're doing it all wrong.
 
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I would think that positive cases were people with the active virus. So now we're counting those that were asymptomatic & have the antibody? I think we have to stop looking at case numbers then. If we're still using the number of cases, or active cases and using the antibody test to gauge those numbers then we're doing it all wrong.
But if they are asymptomatic why are they even being tested? Surely only those that are showing symptoms or had symptoms are the ones getting the serological test? If they are just randomly testing anybody whether they have symptoms or not then yeah you can't trust the numbers but why would they even be doing that, especially as Trump has asked they do less testing at that rally, why is the man in charge trying to fudge the numbers when he would want them to come down.
 

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Another interesting stat I saw yesterday is that there are HUGE disparities in the death rates from one state to another. IIRC, Texas and Florida's death rates range from 8-16 for every 100,000 infected persons. By contrast, NY's death rate is 160 per 100,000 persons, meaning as much as 20 times those of other states.
 

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Mid May? I wonder what happened after that...


Those stupid Leftists!

Everyone should have listened to the right wingers from the start, when they spent a month telling everybody that the whole thing is a Chinese hoax to damage Trump, and that it's just the flu, and that actually no the flu kills more people than covid, and that cases in mainland America are about to go down to zero anyway and it'll all disappear on its own, probably within a couple of weeks, without anybody actually doing anything.

And that masks are bullshit and FUCK YOU for telling me that I should be wearing a mask while out on public.

Those are the people who had the right idea from the start, and who have been pushing for the right practices since then.

Right?

:hat
 
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But if they are asymptomatic why are they even being tested? Surely only those that are showing symptoms or had symptoms are the ones getting the serological test? If they are just randomly testing anybody whether they have symptoms or not then yeah you can't trust the numbers but why would they even be doing that, especially as Trump has asked they do less testing at that rally, why is the man in charge trying to fudge the numbers when he would want them to come down.

I mean if they have the antibody, then the virus is long gone, at least 2-3 weeks out. So now you're recording active cases for people that had the virus weeks ago?

I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, but if we are, we should stop using the number of infected as a metric for anything at this point. Because now you have people with the virus but on opposite ends of the spectrum, those who are active carriers vs those that have had the virus in the past 2-3+ weeks, in some cases more.

The problem is that you're lumping these under one umbrella and using it to gauge whether or not to open certain businesses.
 
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Those stupid Leftists!

Everyone should have listened to the right wingers from the start, when they spent a month telling everybody that the whole thing is a Chinese hoax to damage Trump, and that it's just the flu, and that actually no the flu kills more people than covid, and that cases in mainland America are about to go down to zero anyway and it'll all disappear on its own, probably within a couple of weeks, without anybody actually doing anything.

And that masks are bullshit and FUCK YOU for telling me that I should be wearing a mask while out on public.

Those are the people who had the right idea from the start, and who have been pushing for the right practices since then.

Right?

:hat

If the people who claim to WANT restrictions are perfectly wiling to forgo them at the drop of a hat and undo any progress that's been made, then what was the point of it all in the first place?
 

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If the people who claim to WANT restrictions are perfectly wiling to forgo them at the drop of a hat and undo any progress that's been made, then what was the point of it all in the first place?
People tend to be selfish, shirt-sighted, entitled morons, and America has an EXCEPTIONALLY strong culture of selfishness and entitlement and childlike "don't tell me what to do, fuck you, I do what I want" entitlement.

Having said that, all of you who are SO up in arms about liberal protestors going on marches against police brutality during a pandemic - okay, fine. They shouldn't be doing that.

What do you say about ENTIRE STATES whose stance on the covid virus - up to and including their governors and state Senate - is essentially "liberal hoax, fake news, TDS"?

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I mean if they have the antibody, then the virus is long gone, at least 2-3 weeks out. So now you're recording active cases for people that had the virus weeks ago?

I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, but if we are, we should stop using the number of infected as a metric for anything at this point. Because now you have people with the virus but on opposite ends of the spectrum, those who are active carriers vs those that have had the virus in the past 2-3+ weeks, in some cases more.

The problem is that you're lumping these under one umbrella and using it to gauge whether or not to open certain businesses.
Well it's not the first time a country has changed how it collates numbers and then we've seen a rise in cases, as long as the method being applied is consistent.

I assume states are going more based on hospitalisation rates than the actual number of cases as cases have been rising for a while and nothing was done, it's only when hospitals started reporting they were near full that it seemed states started making changes like mandatory masks, closing bars etc.
 
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Another interesting stat I saw yesterday is that there are HUGE disparities in the death rates from one state to another. IIRC, Texas and Florida's death rates range from 8-16 for every 100,000 infected persons. By contrast, NY's death rate is 160 per 100,000 persons, meaning as much as 20 times those of other states.
Much of that will be down to the fact most of the cases before were in the NY area and so healthcare was overwhelmed. While we have more cases now it's more spread out and healthcare services while now being stretched haven't been overwhelmed yet. Once that happens that's when the death rate will rise because not everyone will be getting the treatment they need to survive.

Also we've learned a lot in the time that's past, we know better how to treat patients and keep them alive, we also have dexamethasone as a proven drug to drive down mortality rates.
 

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What do you say about ENTIRE STATES whose stance on the covid virus - up to and including their governors and state Senate - is essentially "liberal hoax, fake news, TDS"?
If states didn't shut down their economies, then at least people would have the chance to hold onto their jobs and businesses.

The left screwed everyone on both ends of the spectrum by first advocating for economic shutdowns, then making them for naught by turning around and putting us back at square one.
 

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If states didn't shut down their economies, then at least people would have the chance to hold onto their jobs and businesses.

The left screwed everyone on both ends of the spectrum by first advocating for economic shutdowns, then making them for naught by turning around and putting us back at square one.

:rofl

:hat
 

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For me the people protesting about the lockdown and wearing of masks were retards. It was embarrassing.

People coming out and protesting after the man who killed Floyd are just as bad.

I don't see what the argument is of either side criticizing one but not the other.
 

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If states didn't shut down their economies, then at least people would have the chance to hold onto their jobs and businesses.

The left screwed everyone on both ends of the spectrum by first advocating for economic shutdowns, then making them for naught by turning around and putting us back at square one.
My state could've stayed completely open and I'd've still lost my job.
 
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For me the people protesting about the lockdown and wearing of masks were retards. It was embarrassing.

People coming out and protesting after the man who killed Floyd are just as bad.

I don't see what the argument is of either side criticizing one but not the other.
I think there's a bit of a difference between "I can't get a haircut" and "I would like the police to stop murdering black people."

That said, I didn't go to the protest in my state because of the virus.
 
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I think there's a bit of a difference between "I can't get a haircut" and "I would like the police to stop murdering black people."

That said, I didn't go to the protest in my state because of the virus.
Well the people who were complaining about lockdown event just complaining about getting their hair cut, it was about being able to work etc. Not that I agree, I fully supported lockdown.

As for the protests regarding George Floyd it could have waited once the guy was charged. If not and it was so urgent why now and not before when other people (regardless of race) were killed unlawfully.

I think protesting during a pandemic is stupid, no matter how noble people feel the cause is.

Also in the UK we had people thinking VE day was a good excuse to break lockdown. Not to mention the amount of conspiracy retards we had telling people they'd die if they wore a mask. I'm sure I complained on here about it in the past.

But so many groups of people, left and right, have shown how little they genuinely give a shit about this pandemic throughout.
 
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I think there's a bit of a difference between "I can't get a haircut" and "I would like the police to stop murdering black people."

That said, I didn't go to the protest in my state because of the virus.
The haircut bit is getting old, they were protesting for the state to open up businesses again. A lot of people are losing their businesses and jobs so that's what they were protesting. I called them out on it from the beginning.

That being said, both are equally as bad when it comes to the virus. No matter the just cause behind it, the virus does not discriminate despite what CNN or some idiots on here will tell you.