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DynamicMoves

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Well imagine being a small business owner and you're basically losing your livelyhood due to the extended lockdowns. For some of these people it was go out and protest an end to the lockdown or lose their business for good. It's a tough situation, for some both protests are equal in terms of importance, for many it's hard to relate because they're MAGA hat wearing red necks with guns. Yet ANTIFA and BLM carry guns during protests and no one says anything.

I think the most important thing to do is look at both sides as equals in their own way.
I worked for a small business.

I'm also own guns, have had a sportsman license, and don't generally mind them on either side. I do think there should be some additional restrictions on guns, but that's off topic.

I think we're going to disagree on the justification for the protests. I find it hard to agree when this is your average Trump supporter at a rally.

 
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Dazl1212

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The USA printed 1 trillion dollars out of thin air. If someone is protesting because they want their business back open they are retarded. They should protest why the US government that has spent trillions of dollars on wars and tax cuts for the wealthy can't support it's citizens during pandemic.


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Basically what you're saying is spreading a potentially deadly virus around is ok, as long as you agree with the politics of one group? This is exactly what's annoyed people who have stuck to the rules. It was a waste of time.
. Yeah but Covid will end one day and 40,000 Americans would continue to die due to lack of access to healthcare. Cops would still be killing thousands of Americans, the planet will still be dying and the 1% will still control 90% of the wealth
Lol, sorry covid is going nowhere on the US, for a number of reasons including people not sticking to the rules on either team be they lefties or Righties.
As I said, you nor anyone chooses when the people have had enough. In regards to the climate bit of your argument Greta says you're wrong and so there.
Ironically, you seem to have given yourself that authority, how very liberal and not very totalitarian (and scary if people like yourself get the political power some of you crave) of you at all. This is why debating politics with ideolouges like yourself, no offence, is a waste of time.

I think I'm done with this "debate" because it's like arguing with a Flomo or a Pactard.
 
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Bachafach^^^

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Basically what you're saying is spreading a potentially deadly virus around is ok, as long as you agree with the politics of one group? This is exactly what's annoyed people who have stuck to the rules. It was a waste of time.
No basically what I'm saying protesting against state repression and lack of government support the health welfare of its people is multitudes in difference than protesting because you can't get a haircut or your inconvenienced by being stuck at home.

Furthermore it has been shown that it's mass congregations indoors that typically spread the disease, as to why states that have seen the biggest jumps are those that opened early not where protests occurred.

Ironically, you seem to have given yourself that authority, how very liberal and not very totalitarian (and scary if people like yourself get the political power some of you crave) of you at all. This is why debating politics with ideolouges like yourself, no offence, is a waste of time.
Well throughout history there are those who have fought and died to progress humanity forward and fight

And there have also been "centrist" privileged people that actively aid or look the other way towards injustice.


60 years ago you wouldve been calling Martin Luther King a sjw and Nelson Mandela a terrorist.
 
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Dazl1212

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No basically what I'm saying protesting against state repression and lack of government support the health welfare of its people is multitudes in difference than protesting because you can't get a haircut or your inconvenienced by being stuck at home.

Furthermore it has been shown that it's mass congregations indoors that typically spread the disease, as to why states that have seen the biggest jumps are those that opened early not where protests occurred.


Well throughout history there are those who have fought and died to progress humanity forward and fight

And there have also been "centrist" privileged people that actively aid or look the other way towards injustice.


60 years ago you wouldve been calling Martin Luther King a sjw and Nelson Mandela a terrorist.
Has this state repression just started happening now? Whats the big sudden urge to do it now? Boredom because of lockdown? I mean the Shavers killing was just as bad and the cop got off with his pension for the rest of his life because he was "traumatised and had PTSD" from gunning down a drunk.

No just I can consider different arguments and not just arguments that my "team" put forward.

For the record I'm not privileged either, I was born in a deprived area and my mum was a single parent with two children before she met my stepdad when I was about 10 and he isn't rich either..

As I said I'm a Brit and the Brits protesting this or the lockdown here, right now are in a very similar category.

But since we're chucking accusations about, You were definitely a Flomo or a Pactard on ESB. Definitely.
 
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I worked for a small business.

I'm also own guns, have had a sportsman license, and don't generally mind them on either side. I do think there should be some additional restrictions on guns, but that's off topic.

I think we're going to disagree on the justification for the protests. I find it hard to agree when this is your average Trump supporter at a rally.


That's a campaign rally. I was talking about the Michigan protests, which I condemned at the time.
 

Bachafach^^^

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Has this state repression just started happening now? Whats the big sudden urge to do it now? Boredom because of lockdown? I mean the Shavers killing was just as bad and the cop got off with his pension for the rest of his life because he was "traumatised and had PTSD" from gunning down a drunk.
Agreed. Shavers killing was more horrifying thing to me than even the George Floyd killing. I still have emotional trauma from that video.

However, each society has its braking point, Covid has exposed the US government and deligitimized it in the eyes of it's citizens.

Most revolutions tend to happen after losing a war, famine, or pestilance. I'm reading a book right now on the end of the Yuan and beginning of Ming Dynasty. Essentially Chinese historiographers could chart the collapse of dynasties based on ecological disturbances. Back then the people of China would term a period where mass flood famine and disease occurred as the ruling regime losing its mandate of heaven. It was no longer favored by the God's. In a sense this is what's happening to the US, by the US government bowing to big business and not supporting it's citizens during time of crisis it has lost its mandate to govern. George Floyd was the final spark.


For the record I'm not privileged either, I was born in a deprived area and my mum was a single parent with two children before she met my stepdad when I was about 10 and he isn't rich either..[\quote]
Ok, then ask yourself, why aren't you angry? Why aren't you going down to downing street and burning it all down? You realize that the UK is far more fucked going forward than America right?
But since we're chucking accusations about, You were definitely a Flomo or a Pactard on ESB. Definitely.
Proud flomo. 50-0. TBE.
 

Dazl1212

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Agreed. Shavers killing was more horrifying thing to me than even the George Floyd killing. I still have emotional trauma from that video.

However, each society has its braking point, Covid has exposed the US government and deligitimized it in the eyes of it's citizens.

Most revolutions tend to happen after losing a war, famine, or pestilance. I'm reading a book right now on the end of the Yuan and beginning of Ming Dynasty. Essentially Chinese historiographers could chart the collapse of dynasties based on ecological disturbances. Back then the people of China would term a period where mass flood famine and disease occurred as the ruling regime losing its mandate of heaven. It was no longer favored by the God's. In a sense this is what's happening to the US, by the US government bowing to big business and not supporting it's citizens during time of crisis it has lost its mandate to govern. George Floyd was the final spark.
Now where getting somewhere. You see when you actually are in the mood for a discussion there's not a massive amount I disagree with you on.

It's the fuck centrists thing that you and a lot on the further side of the left have is going to turn a lot of people off and you won't win any kind of election or any kind of political power without the overwhelming support of the "swing voters" as they're called.

Anyway, I'll get back to you tomorrow as I've got a toddler to try and sort out and get to sleep. But I'll add that book to my reading list.
 
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I worked for a small business.

I'm also own guns, have had a sportsman license, and don't generally mind them on either side. I do think there should be some additional restrictions on guns, but that's off topic.

I think we're going to disagree on the justification for the protests. I find it hard to agree when this is your average Trump supporter at a rally.

The stupidity of the American populace never ceases to amaze.

It's terrifying the power that these fucktards wield.
 
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Now where getting somewhere. You see when you actually are in the mood for a discussion there's not a massive amount I disagree with you on.

It's the fuck centrists thing that you and a lot on the further side of the left have is going to turn a lot of people off and you won't win any kind of election or any kind of political power without the overwhelming support of the "swing voters" as they're called.

Anyway, I'll get back to you tomorrow as I've got a toddler to try and sort out and get to sleep. But I'll add that book to my reading list.
The majority of voters, or non-voters are in fact independent moderate voters. When people on the left say fuck them, fuck the fence sitters, etc. That is when the largest voting block goes, well fuck you too then! Thankfully this is why you'll never see Marxism take over in the US and his wet dreams will never come true.
 

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Now where getting somewhere. You see when you actually are in the mood for a discussion there's not a massive amount I disagree with you on.
Nah, I been saying the same thing since the beginning. I just said it in a way you could understand after repeated attempts.

It's the fuck centrists thing that you and a lot on the further side of the left have is going to turn a lot of people off and you won't win any kind of election or any kind of political power without the overwhelming support of the "swing voters" as they're called.
Yous guys keep saying that yet more self proclaimed Dem socs are being elected to office and more people are taking to the streets to demand justice than ever before

Perhaps our message is resonating with a larger portion of the populace than you want to admit.

It's not our job to sugar coat the state of the world to you to win your support. There is the truth of how things are. If you are a swing voter on justice, equality, climate change and workers rights then it's wasted energy trying to recruit you.

The time for moderation and "take it easy guys" is over.
 

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First, thanks for the quality, civil response. :thumbsup

Couple of points:

1) Whether you realize it or not, you seem to constantly conflate the liberals and "The Left." As if the liberals - as opposed to the twitter wankers - are the minority.

2) If "The Left" had as much support from Liberal-minded people as you seem to claim, then 143 year old Joe Biden would not have wrapped the nomination up 4 months before the last primary. There is no way around this. Even in your examples, Bachafach is FAR more left than anyone else here (and mostly a troll as well), and he's an island of one with a lot of his shit. Whereas there are multiple paranoid, gullible, right-wing conspiracy nut clichés here.

3) Speaking of the Insane SJW Bullshit thread, it provides a good illustration of what I am saying when I suggest that it is the right that is extreme, not the left.

There is no "Insane Right Wing Bullshit" thread here. Nor has there ever been, nor will there ever be.

Why not?

I wasn't afraid to make a thread mocking these idiot hypocrite racist SJW cunts. Goat and I have contributed thousands of posts and dozens/hundreds of links to SJW Bullshit between us. Obviously, neither of us is afraid to criticise idiot left wingers.

Where is the "Insane Right-Wing Bullshit" thread? Is there not enough right-wing bullshit to fill it?

Or is it because extreme-right bullshit is STANDARD?

I'm a liberal, and I'm happy to mock people who think that a man can take some pills and turn into a woman.

Where are the conservatives here who have the balls to sack up and say that separating little kids from their parents and putting them in cages, never to see their parents again, is a moral disgrace?

When's the last time you saw a single right winger here condemn these KKK cunts with tiki torches, marching through Charlottesville chanting "The Jews Will Not Replace Us"? You haven't. Well, the Liberal posters have a 700 page thread talking shit on the left-wing equivalents of these racist cunts. The right wing posters? Won't so much as acknowledge ANY right-wing bullshit, EVER. Just watch them ALL bitch out of acknowledging Putin's bounties on the lives of American soldiers, which the tough-guy right-wing President thought was just fine, and certainly nothing to push back over. Which left wing posters are THAT hypocritical and bitchmade? Which left wing poster is unable to criticise left wing "heroes" like Obama or Biden? None. Yet seemingly every right winger on this site is completely bitchmade bootlicker when it comes to Republican corruption and abuse of power. :sad

You see the difference?

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I've been off this forum for a wee while so just another bit of housekeeping, probably way off-topic by this point so anyone else feel free to skip.

1) We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this point, I don't think I ever conflate liberals with the left... the use of "Liberals" in that respect is a uniquely American thing and not a way I would use that word. Unless you can point out a specific example of me criticising what I would regard as a Liberal.

I think you vastly underestimate the size and power the "Twitter Wankers" have, despite what their actual size it is them which are guiding most current Government, Institutional and Corporate action in my country. I have no interest in how much power the Republican party have in American politics.

2) I don't really get what you're aiming at here. Joe Biden seemed to be a fix with the Dem Party, which seems to be a party split into two distinct camps. The Bernie types of which Bernie as about the most reasonable and sane (which is saying something when you look at his "Bernie Bros") and the Corporate Whore sleazy career politician Biden / Clinton types. That's their mess to sort and really if the further Left camp in that party were in any way honest with themselves, they would break off and form their own third way, rather than try to co-opt the Centrist-Right Democrat party.

3) This forum was founded by extremely left wing people and always had a core contingent of them. (Teeto, Bogo, Hook, Wordup, etc) If they didn't feel fit to make that thread as a counter-act then that is on them. Fact is we've been laughing at The Right for decades, on these forums and in media but it's old and boring and right now there isn't enough genuinely funny shit out there to laugh at. We've all laughed at the Westboro Baptist Church, 911 Truthers and American Evangelicals. But then, when was the last time Coca-Cola tweeted out "God Hates Fags" in support of the WBC.

Outside of you, Goat, Vino, JoeE, Johnstown and a handful of others... the rest of us are sick to fucking death of Donald Trump this, that and the other... we're not Americans or we don't have the stomach for yet another US controversy, trial, hearing, impeachment attempt, CNN article or poll of a thousand people which found "X"

Tiki Torches: I don't remember exactly but I cant remember anyone supporting the Alt-Right at Charleston... it seemed to be roundly condemned from memory... especially by me but the way in which the SJW thread grew over the past 6 years is just an indication of the growth of that movement to the point now where a lot of the things we ridiculed in that thread 6 years ago, will have you banned from social media and fired from your job for even uttering in the UK.

If you want any proof of this, go read up on what's happening to JK Rowling or Graham Linehan recently for daring to suggest that Trans-Women aren't actually Women.

Shit, you might even get a knock on the door from the police on that one.
 

Dazl1212

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Nah, I been saying the same thing since the beginning. I just said it in a way you could understand after repeated attempts.


Yous guys keep saying that yet more self proclaimed Dem socs are being elected to office and more people are taking to the streets to demand justice than ever before

Perhaps our message is resonating with a larger portion of the populace than you want to admit.

It's not our job to sugar coat the state of the world to you to win your support. There is the truth of how things are. If you are a swing voter on justice, equality, climate change and workers rights then it's wasted energy trying to recruit you.

The time for moderation and "take it easy guys" is over.
Well it didn't take long for you to revert to type.

Anyway, I'm detailing the thread by talking about politics that don't pertain to covid...
 

Dazl1212

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The majority of voters, or non-voters are in fact independent moderate voters. When people on the left say fuck them, fuck the fence sitters, etc. That is when the largest voting block goes, well fuck you too then! Thankfully this is why you'll never see Marxism take over in the US and his wet dreams will never come true.
They've had this explained to them for years and just seem to keep pushing the same way but harder. Insulting anyone who doesn't vote for their candidate as a bootlicker or Nazi scum. It was horrendous before the last election in the UK and the leftist (some would say far left who was obsessed with Israel) was utterly annihilated in the election. Bootlickers like me and @Broxi were happy to hold our nose and vote that way despite all the vitriol aimed at people like us.
 
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Thoughts & prayers Americans

theyre saying you might be getting 100 000 new cases a day at some stage soon

my god, I wish I could help
can I send food hampers? Jars of dripping?