Coronavirus Outbreak [COVID-19]

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Just seen the NHS' new ad for it's better health program as a part of Boris' new plan to get the nation to lose weight to improve people's chances of fighting off Covid and reduce the number of people with comorbidities.

The cynic in me doesn't think it will make much difference but it's a move in the right direction though it needs to go further and in general there needs to be greater efforts from government to change peoples behaviours when it comes to diet and exercise which until quite recently was something they seemed to care little about other than rhetoric to placate the media as they saw it as too nanny state.
 

Broxi

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Just seen the NHS' new ad for it's better health program as a part of Boris' new plan to get the nation to lose weight to improve people's chances of fighting off Covid and reduce the number of people with comorbidities.

The cynic in me doesn't think it will make much difference but it's a move in the right direction though it needs to go further and in general there needs to be greater efforts from government to change peoples behaviours when it comes to diet and exercise which until quite recently was something they seemed to care little about other than rhetoric to placate the media as they saw it as too nanny state.
There is an argument there that it can be too nanny state though but I agree something has to be done to put people on a path of eating less sugary, high empty calorie junk foods, takeaways, fast foods and fizzy drinks but also more of a focus on exercise.

We've had a few initiatives over the past few years, the sugar tax, the price increases on alcohol, etc but I'm not sure how much this has changed peoples behaviours ... for a while there it spurred more of a focus on the diet versions of fizzy drinks on the supermarket shelves but the manufacturers just found ways around the sugar problem with slightly smaller cans, altered their recipe or just went "fuck it" and raised their prices 20% assuming people will pay more... and they did.

We've changed the behaviour of people in the past on things like smoking and drink driving, so it can be done... it requires a cultural/perception change across society but there's so many different aspects to the obesity problem. Regulation of the takeaway, fast food and supermarket industries, work-life balance, education, availability of gyms and a society more prone to indulging in indoor pursuits like watching TV, internet browsing or playing videogames.

There's too many people now, who unless they have the willpower to go out of their way to do it, can get through their entire day without doing anything strenuous at all and then order a 12" meat feast pizza, chips and a bottle of Coke from an app on their phone and its delivered to their house. You don't even have to leave your chair for McDonalds and KFC anymore.

I think Boris got a jolt of reality when he realised that he'd have fought off COVID-19 easier if he was about 4 stone lighter and I had hopes that we would see some sweeping changes but it doesn't seem to have gone anywhere.
 

steviebruno

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Look a the virgin who still lives with daddy and mommy who runs around calling people swollenanus calling someone childish. You're crying because you're being made to look like a fool and your whole charade of pretending to be a scientist when at best you are a glorified teachers aide is unraveling.


Who gives a fuck what some doctors are using to treat the drug. Thats not how science is conducted you fucking moron. Whenever Hydroxy is tested it fails, when is tested with other drugs like Azithromycin it fails. What are you going to do, run the gamut of injecting people with all combinations of drugs hoping for success. Is that how science works you fucking idiot. You hope something works without any evidence to back it up. That we should take a list of drugs proscribed by a doctor who claims 300 people lived without long term monitoring or even consideration of side effects? Are you fucking mad?

Here a nursing home proscribed "covid cocktails" and guess what dozens of people fucking died. Some died who we dont even know had Covid. But yes lets start dosing people with random shit even though study after study conducted so far shows it does not fucking work.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/07/covid-cocktail-inside-pa-nursing-home-that-gave-some-veterans-hydroxychloroquine-even-without-covid-19-testing/

Get off world of warcraft and stop burdening your parents.
...:think1 But did they get funky with the zinc and melatonin?
 
Jun 3, 2013
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Trump once again tweeted yesterday that the reason America has more cases is because they test more.

:rofl

Does this moron really not understand that there's more cases because they haven't stopped the spread?
 

Clarence Worley

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Trump once again tweeted yesterday that the reason America has more cases is because they test more.

:rofl

Does this moron really not understand that there's more cases because they haven't stopped the spread?
Only bullshitting China are claiming they have managed that though
 
Jul 6, 2019
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Came home from the pub last night and had the below conversation with the Mrs.

"wash your hands thoroughly"

"why?"

"there is a pandemic on"

"oh yeah, so there is!"

I had followed the rules when out, and timed it just right to leave just as I was becoming stupid.
 
May 26, 2013
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There is an argument there that it can be too nanny state though but I agree something has to be done to put people on a path of eating less sugary, high empty calorie junk foods, takeaways, fast foods and fizzy drinks but also more of a focus on exercise.

We've had a few initiatives over the past few years, the sugar tax, the price increases on alcohol, etc but I'm not sure how much this has changed peoples behaviours ... for a while there it spurred more of a focus on the diet versions of fizzy drinks on the supermarket shelves but the manufacturers just found ways around the sugar problem with slightly smaller cans, altered their recipe or just went "fuck it" and raised their prices 20% assuming people will pay more... and they did.

We've changed the behaviour of people in the past on things like smoking and drink driving, so it can be done... it requires a cultural/perception change across society but there's so many different aspects to the obesity problem. Regulation of the takeaway, fast food and supermarket industries, work-life balance, education, availability of gyms and a society more prone to indulging in indoor pursuits like watching TV, internet browsing or playing videogames.

There's too many people now, who unless they have the willpower to go out of their way to do it, can get through their entire day without doing anything strenuous at all and then order a 12" meat feast pizza, chips and a bottle of Coke from an app on their phone and its delivered to their house. You don't even have to leave your chair for McDonalds and KFC anymore.

I think Boris got a jolt of reality when he realised that he'd have fought off COVID-19 easier if he was about 4 stone lighter and I had hopes that we would see some sweeping changes but it doesn't seem to have gone anywhere.
Might seem Nanny State-ish, but considering the fact that metabolic syndromes probably cost governments more than anything else, its a good move. What gov'ts should do is refuse to cover anyone who is overweight.
 
Jun 4, 2013
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bryan
Look a the virgin who still lives with daddy and mommy who runs around calling people swollenanus calling someone childish. You're crying because you're being made to look like a fool and your whole charade of pretending to be a scientist when at best you are a glorified teachers aide is unraveling.


Who gives a fuck what some doctors are using to treat the drug. Thats not how science is conducted you fucking moron. Whenever Hydroxy is tested it fails, when is tested with other drugs like Azithromycin it fails. What are you going to do, run the gamut of injecting people with all combinations of drugs hoping for success. Is that how science works you fucking idiot. You hope something works without any evidence to back it up. That we should take a list of drugs proscribed by a doctor who claims 300 people lived without long term monitoring or even consideration of side effects? Are you fucking mad?

Here a nursing home proscribed "covid cocktails" and guess what dozens of people fucking died. Some died who we dont even know had Covid. But yes lets start dosing people with random shit even though study after study conducted so far shows it does not fucking work.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/07/covid-cocktail-inside-pa-nursing-home-that-gave-some-veterans-hydroxychloroquine-even-without-covid-19-testing/

Get off world of warcraft and stop burdening your parents.
So you don't want to address remdesivir killing people in the Chinese study? Hm, I see it's all just grandstanding and nothing else with you. Look like a fool. Fuck me, if anyone wants to think the "floored" or swamp monster guy has good argument here, I really feel sorry for you.

Hydroxy failed a study, but again, doctors are prescribing it with a varying cocktails. The treatment isn't standardized, and I'm not hypothesizing, this is real-life COVID-19 zones like Houston. For people who are at the worst, there is no standard for treatment. As I said, even remdesivir didn't beat placebo when it comes to the worst case scenario.

Yes, clinical trials do fail, and sometimes they fail hard. If this were a corporation putting money forth, easily, I would say it isn't worth it from a money perspective (this is also the nature of clinical trials). This isn't that kind of situation. We're talking about a drug that has a pretty logical mechanism, and no other treatment currently. Also, it isn't just "a doctor," during the height of the pandemic several fucking doctors were prescribing it.

Again, you've not addressed what other means we could take other than the test the assortment doctors are saying works. And yes, this is enough to start a clinical trial. Do you honestly know how a clinical trial gets started, Bachfag? I've been repeating myself over and over, and you haven't addressed this specifically. Yes, this is how science fucking works. I feel like you are clueless here, and I feel like you think I'm saying hydroxy should be the standard of care. I'm saying that it's worth continuing trials with what doctors are saying works.
 

steviebruno

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So you don't want to address remdesivir killing people in the Chinese study? Hm, I see it's all just grandstanding and nothing else with you. Look like a fool. Fuck me, if anyone wants to think the "floored" or swamp monster guy has good argument here, I really feel sorry for you.

Hydroxy failed a study, but again, doctors are prescribing it with a varying cocktails. The treatment isn't standardized, and I'm not hypothesizing, this is real-life COVID-19 zones like Houston. For people who are at the worst, there is no standard for treatment. As I said, even remdesivir didn't beat placebo when it comes to the worst case scenario.

Yes, clinical trials do fail, and sometimes they fail hard. If this were a corporation putting money forth, easily, I would say it isn't worth it from a money perspective (this is also the nature of clinical trials). This isn't that kind of situation. We're talking about a drug that has a pretty logical mechanism, and no other treatment currently. Also, it isn't just "a doctor," during the height of the pandemic several fucking doctors were prescribing it.

Again, you've not addressed what other means we could take other than the test the assortment doctors are saying works. And yes, this is enough to start a clinical trial. Do you honestly know how a clinical trial gets started, Bachfag? I've been repeating myself over and over, and you haven't addressed this specifically. Yes, this is how science fucking works. I feel like you are clueless here, and I feel like you think I'm saying hydroxy should be the standard of care. I'm saying that it's worth continuing trials with what doctors are saying works.
"tHE TReaTmENt iSN't StaNDeRdIZed... :santa"
 

Broxi

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Jul 24, 2012
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Came home from the pub last night and had the below conversation with the Mrs.

"wash your hands thoroughly"

"why?"

"there is a pandemic on"

"oh yeah, so there is!"

I had followed the rules when out, and timed it just right to leave just as I was becoming stupid.
Yeah, how was it... what were the pubs like, I've heard varying reports?

Still not been to a pub yet but had my first draught pint since this whole shit started. Went out to Helensburgh with the family as the weather was supposed to be nice and had a bite to eat at a wee Tapas place on the beach and a couple of pints. Felt good to have a sit down meal and a proper beer.

The place was mobbed though and other than people wearing masks indoors, it looked like business as usual for most of them.
 
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Burned? Smh...

Check my library if you don't know about me.
Yeah, I know about you, stevie.

In other news, as Houston is becoming a COVID-19 epicenter, doctors still have hope in the experimental drug enough to petition for it's use.

The number of doctors publicly supporting the use of hydroxychloroquine for early treatment or prevention is growing.

Recently, Dr. Kevin R. Wheelan, chief of cardiology at Baylor Heart and Vascular Hospital in Dallas and Dr. Peter McCullough, a clinical cardiologist and professor at the Texas A&M School of Medicine, issued a letter supporting the emergency use authorization (EUA) of hydroxychloroquine for outpatient treatment and prophylaxis for COVID-19.

Baylor Scott & White Research Institute, is conducting a study that “examines the use of [h]ydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic option specifically for front-line healthcare workers exposed to COVID-19.” There are 360 participants in the study, with 180 of them receiving the treatment. The study took place from April 3 until July 30. Upon request, Baylor Scott & White did not provide a statement about the expected study release date to The Texan before the time of publication.

https://thetexan.news/baylor-cardiologists-support-hydroxychloroquine-emergency-use-authorization-by-fda/

Bachafag and the rest of the NeverTrumpers. "Oh no, clinical experts are touting a drug that Trump praised." Let me us the style that stevie copied off me. "Do tHeY KnOW a BRaziL stUDy juST CaME OUT?"

As I said, I'm not hypothesizing. A lot of people here don't seem to understand the nature of clinical trials and how unorthodoxed the times are now, but hey, I'm just someone that does this line of work for a living.
 
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Yeah, how was it... what were the pubs like, I've heard varying reports?

Still not been to a pub yet but had my first draught pint since this whole shit started. Went out to Helensburgh with the family as the weather was supposed to be nice and had a bite to eat at a wee Tapas place on the beach and a couple of pints. Felt good to have a sit down meal and a proper beer.

The place was mobbed though and other than people wearing masks indoors, it looked like business as usual for most of them.
Been to a few places now. Few in St Andrews and a few in Finnieston in Glasgow.

Enjoyed it, and everyone seemed to be trying their best to stay sensible. It's not risk free, and it's not the same as it used to be, but if you are happy enough to just talk to the people you came with, and take that risk, you can enjoy it.


It's the wee traditional boozers that lose out the most. I've either sat outside, or been at a private booth, and that's not always possible with a proper pub.

Closest I've been was the Park bar and Islay Inn, and in both of those we had a table away from most other people.

Also been to Dukes and the Dockyard Social of you know any of them.
 
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steviebruno

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Yeah, I know about you, stevie.

In other news, as Houston is becoming a COVID-19 epicenter, doctors still have hope in the experimental drug enough to petition for it's use.

The number of doctors publicly supporting the use of hydroxychloroquine for early treatment or prevention is growing.

Recently, Dr. Kevin R. Wheelan, chief of cardiology at Baylor Heart and Vascular Hospital in Dallas and Dr. Peter McCullough, a clinical cardiologist and professor at the Texas A&M School of Medicine, issued a letter supporting the emergency use authorization (EUA) of hydroxychloroquine for outpatient treatment and prophylaxis for COVID-19.

Baylor Scott & White Research Institute, is conducting a study that “examines the use of [h]ydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic option specifically for front-line healthcare workers exposed to COVID-19.” There are 360 participants in the study, with 180 of them receiving the treatment. The study took place from April 3 until July 30. Upon request, Baylor Scott & White did not provide a statement about the expected study release date to The Texan before the time of publication.

https://thetexan.news/baylor-cardiologists-support-hydroxychloroquine-emergency-use-authorization-by-fda/

Bachafag and the rest of the NeverTrumpers. "Oh no, clinical experts are touting a drug that Trump praised." Let me us the style that stevie copied off me. "Do tHeY KnOW a BRaziL stUDy juST CaME OUT?"

As I said, I'm not hypothesizing. A lot of people here don't seem to understand the nature of clinical trials and how unorthodoxed the times are now, but hey, I'm just someone that does this line of work for a living.
I have no problem with that. If there's a chance that hydroxychloroquine works in conjunction with other therapies, go for it. But it is, as your link called it, an EXPERIMENTAL drug. And most drugs that are part of any cocktail have some sort of proven stand alone benefit, which we have yet to see from any experiments involving hydroxychloroquine.