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Deebo

"Messkin" Deebo
Jun 5, 2013
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Show dem balls bro
How hard is it to actually make the vaccines though?
Obviously the initial research and development of how to make the vaccines in the first place isn't easy but know that the recipe is known... reproducing them is how hard?

Obviously from a very uneducated outside point of view it seems like it shouldn't be to difficult?

Pfizer seems to be the gold standard at the moment. Why can't they just let people buy the rights to X amount, give them the ingredients and a step 1 preheat your oven, step 2 mix the flour with some eggs type run down and let people make it at home?

Hella hard dude. It's a warm and super freeze thing. I've been working in the field for decades and I even stumble with the bio-luminosity light reflection shit on this level. This kind of stuff isn't worked out under a microscope anymore.
 
May 22, 2013
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Hella hard dude. It's a warm and super freeze thing. I've been working in the field for decades and I even stumble with the bio-luminosity light reflection shit on this level. This kind of stuff isn't worked out under a microscope anymore.
Fair enough.
But surely the capacity to produce is there. It's not like everywhere outside the pfizer lab has no modern technology. Surely we could get it sorted.

Ahhh.... maybe not though. I'm just frustrated with not getting my vaccine and am wanting tem to try anything they can.
 

Deebo

"Messkin" Deebo
Jun 5, 2013
17,679
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Show dem balls bro
Fair enough.
But surely the capacity to produce is there. It's not like everywhere outside the pfizer lab has no modern technology. Surely we could get it sorted.

Ahhh.... maybe not though. I'm just frustrated with not getting my vaccine and am wanting tem to try anything they can.
The after thought of how these vaccines would have been distributed is not an afterthought, it's reality. You're more than likely not going to get it, but I've seen quadruple last numbers get it. Breaks my fucking heart.
 
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May 19, 2013
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If you don't get it then how do you expect your RNA to be modified to handle the new heightened neuro-network we're all going to be part of soon?
My body has built in antibodies to kill covid 19.

I was supposed to donate blood after I got out of the hospital but was too lazy to give up my Donar antibodies.
 
May 22, 2013
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The after thought of how these vaccines would have been distributed is not an afterthought, it's reality. You're more than likely not going to get it, but I've seen quadruple last numbers get it. Breaks my fucking heart.
You lost me at the quadruple last numbers part mate
 

Broxi

The Anti-Bully
Jul 24, 2012
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It's not a case of the EU exporting vaccines because they want to help out the world, they don't have a right to those vaccines because they weren't meant for the EU. They are vaccines which have been bought and paid for by other countries that are just manufactured in the EU but there's a difference between "EU vaccines" and "vaccines made in the EU". One implies ownership, which isn't the case.

The EU should have been keeping more vaccines for their own citizens but they were incredibly late to order them so they have no right to complain now. They were slow, indecisive and wanted to purchase a French vaccine, which is still not in production, so it's all their own fault. They'll lose the AstraZeneca lawsuit too, and likely have to pay millions in defamation for the false allegations around the vaccine.
Dude has to be trolling with that shit.

They dragged their feet, fucked up placing the orders and then cried about the UK being on the ball.

The UK didn't prioritise their citizens over others, they ordered their vaccines in a timeous fashion. The EU didn't, then complained that AZ couldn't meet their unrealistic targets for production and then made a hullabaloo about the blood clot thing.

I've had the AZ vaccine, no clots so far but I'll let you all know how I go with the 2nd dose when I get it.
 
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Johnstown

Dominant Poster
Jun 4, 2013
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How hard is it to actually make the vaccines though?
Obviously the initial research and development of how to make the vaccines in the first place isn't easy but know that the recipe is known... reproducing them is how hard?

Obviously from a very uneducated outside point of view it seems like it shouldn't be to difficult?

Pfizer seems to be the gold standard at the moment. Why can't they just let people buy the rights to X amount, give them the ingredients and a step 1 preheat your oven, step 2 mix the flour with some eggs type run down and let people make it at home?
That one plant in baltimore managed to fuck it up...(mixed J&J ingredients with the AstraZeneca). They then switched them over to just J&,J but they apparently have had other issues and I'm not even sure if they are making them now.


So you definitely need to have a infrastructure in place that can actualize the manufacturing of the vaccine with high quality control. So you need everything that would require...the physical building...all the various equipment...a properly trained work force.

So my guess would be a country probably at least needs an existing drug manufacturing industry...if not one dedicated to vaccines.

Of course the sad irony for the people of India is their country has been making millions of vaccines.

But most of them they have shipped and sold overseas.

Money money money...


But yeah there has been talk of someone (the UN...the United States) buying the patent rights to the vaccine and basically giving it away.

Again though...even if that is done the manufacturing process still has to be precious.


I will say that Pfizer and Moderna are great...but J&J may be better even though it has that one in a million blood clot issue. Simply because it easier to story and transport (regular refrigeration rather than super cold storage) and it requires only one dose.
 

kf3

Jul 17, 2012
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the eu isn't worried about paying millions, not their money.

they are worried about saving face, too anyone who pays attention they killed themselves with that stuff, prob some team sports diehards still believe them.

my mom was 100% vote remain etc, even she is saying they are wrong here.
 
May 22, 2013
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Ah for fuck sake.. Here we go again.

Some poor bastard in Sydney picked up the rona from a community transmission.
While infectious before knowing he had it, he went to seemingly every BBQ shop in the city.

Restrictions are coming back in. From 5pm tonight. No more standing at the pub or restaurants. Masks mandated on public transport and at indoor venues again.

I'm not overly fussed by the restrictions. Best to go hard on them now to stop the outbreak rather than put soft restrictions in and let things blow out again.
But it just goes to show how important the vaccines are. NSW.... Well Australia as a whole has done a piss poor job with the rollout!! Vaccinations are coming in FAAAARRR to slow!!

Fuck me this pandemic is shit!
 

Johnstown

Dominant Poster
Jun 4, 2013
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95,000,000 Americans now fully vaccinated. Rate of vaccination starting to slow a bit but still around 3,000,000 a day. I suspect the focus will shift from super big and efficient clinics that mostly just reaches people with cars who can take days off work to doctor offices and small neighborhood clinics....

There is around 130,000,000 million people left in the USA (16 and over) who could be vaccinated. At 3 million a day with mostly 2 dose vaccines everyone eligible could be vaccinated and fully covered in around 120 days (August 24). But that definitely won't happen because we have millions of morons.


I'm guessing we will get another 80,000,000 vaccinated (based on poll numbers of people willing to get vaccinated).
Mostly just quoting myself to brag.

But I was correct that the US would change it's focus from big vaccine sites to small local clinics set up right in the community (like the community center of a public housing unit) and doctor's offices in order to reach less enthusiastic individuals.


Rate of vaccination now around 1,000,000 a day.
 
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May 22, 2013
5,102
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Australia
That one plant in baltimore managed to fuck it up...(mixed J&J ingredients with the AstraZeneca). They then switched them over to just J&,J but they apparently have had other issues and I'm not even sure if they are making them now.


So you definitely need to have a infrastructure in place that can actualize the manufacturing of the vaccine with high quality control. So you need everything that would require...the physical building...all the various equipment...a properly trained work force.

So my guess would be a country probably at least needs an existing drug manufacturing industry...if not one dedicated to vaccines.

Of course the sad irony for the people of India is their country has been making millions of vaccines.

But most of them they have shipped and sold overseas.

Money money money...


But yeah there has been talk of someone (the UN...the United States) buying the patent rights to the vaccine and basically giving it away.

Again though...even if that is done the manufacturing process still has to be precious.


I will say that Pfizer and Moderna are great...but J&J may be better even though it has that one in a million blood clot issue. Simply because it easier to story and transport (regular refrigeration rather than super cold storage) and it requires only one dose.
Fair enough.

Though I still don't think it's unattainable for a first world country like Aus to be able to sort something like that out.
 
May 22, 2013
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Mostly just quoting myself to brag.

But I was correct that the US would change it's focus from big vaccine sites to small local clinics set up right in the community (like the community center of a public housing unit) and doctor's offices in order to reach less enthusiastic individuals.


Rate of vaccination now around 1,000,000 a day.
Small vaccine sites are looking like the way forward for Aus too.

We have a few mass vaccine centres round the city ("mass" though they still aren't up and bulk vaccinating. though they have the capacity). But apparently from mid this month local GP's and Pharmacists will be stocked. Or so I am told. Mum is trying to book her shot but is being told most likely she'll hve to wait a few more weeks till it can be done on a more local GP basis.

Dad is getting done next tuesday at a local Aboriginal Medical Service place... Mum will get in there as well next week hopefully.

The way things are going down under. By the time the vaccine gets to me it will all be done locally.
 

Johnstown

Dominant Poster
Jun 4, 2013
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Small vaccine sites are looking like the way forward for Aus too.

We have a few mass vaccine centres round the city ("mass" though they still aren't up and bulk vaccinating. though they have the capacity). But apparently from mid this month local GP's and Pharmacists will be stocked. Or so I am told. Mum is trying to book her shot but is being told most likely she'll hve to wait a few more weeks till it can be done on a more local GP basis.

Dad is getting done next tuesday at a local Aboriginal Medical Service place... Mum will get in there as well next week hopefully.

The way things are going down under. By the time the vaccine gets to me it will all be done locally.
It's pretty easy to get a vaccine now in the US if you have a car and a bit of gumption to get it done.

I checked the local website out of curiosity and I could get a vaccine at several sights within 10 miles of me within 20 days.

But obviously 10 miles is a lot if you don't have a car (and rural areas have terrible mass transit).

Hopefully the vaccine distribution picks up in your area.
 

Johnstown

Dominant Poster
Jun 4, 2013
28,137
9,702
Small vaccine sites are looking like the way forward for Aus too.

We have a few mass vaccine centres round the city ("mass" though they still aren't up and bulk vaccinating. though they have the capacity). But apparently from mid this month local GP's and Pharmacists will be stocked. Or so I am told. Mum is trying to book her shot but is being told most likely she'll hve to wait a few more weeks till it can be done on a more local GP basis.

Dad is getting done next tuesday at a local Aboriginal Medical Service place... Mum will get in there as well next week hopefully.

The way things are going down under. By the time the vaccine gets to me it will all be done locally.
It's pretty easy to get a vaccine now in the US if you have a car and a bit of gumption to get it done.

I checked the local website out of curiosity and I could get a vaccine at several sights within 10 miles of me within 20 days.

But obviously 10 miles is a lot if you don't have a car (and rural areas have terrible mass transit).

Hopefully the vaccine distribution picks up in your area.
 
May 22, 2013
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3,698
Australia
So who you guys with? Slytherin or Gryffindor? I'm a Hufflepuff man myself.


I don't get which one relates to which harry Potter house.


But as it stands in Aus. At the moment older folks 50+ are getting Astra Zeneca. My old man got his first one Tuesday just gone.
For 50 and younger looks like we are getting Pfizer. Seems like a good thing because form what I've heard and read, Pfizer and Modena are the top performing vaccines. But Aus Government put a lot of their eggs in the AZ basket. Shifting a lot of us to Pfizer is slowing things down tremendously.

There is actually a big new debate starting here that AZ vaccine isn't good enough and doesn't perform well enough against variants. So Aus is going to have to find a new way to herd immunity.
 
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