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How does Fury put Usyk at #4, when Usyk has yet to face a serious HW opponent?
That's just ridiculous.
That's just ridiculous.
I really, really like Usyk, but he fought a tubby doorman (basically). Chazz was never elite and he's been fighting at a way lower level since the Thompson loss. Usyk has the tools to be good (though I reckon he needs to be careful around weight gain/mobility) and injuries suggest his body isn't enjoying the move up.
Fury
AJ
Wilder
Whyte
Ruiz
Ortiz
Hrgovic
Hunter
Povetkin
Parker
Hrgovic is the wildcard, but I think he's the business. Very good all round package and have him above Dubois, Joyce and the other prospects. Curious about Sanchez. He looks like he can move and is Cuban. Was okay against Dawejko
Povetkin is showing signs of decline, I felt Hunter was a little unlucky to not get the win but it showing real signs of promise (which means Hughie is his only recent win). I suspect 7-10 is likely his professional cap. He could maybe get a title against a soft/right opponent.
Usyk stopping Chisora would place him in there. I actually think Usyk could place around Ortiz, but he hasn't shown me anything at heavyweight yet. Chisora has a puncher's chance. Tbh, he's probably not that far from the top 10 atm. Probably behind Pulev and a few others.
Prospects:
Sanchez,
Hrgovic,
Ajagba,
Dubois,
Yoka,
Setbacks - but I still reckon are dangerous:
Kuzmin,
Rivas,
Bakole,
Kownacki
Curious to see Miller without the drugs. I reckon his output was heavily subsidised by juice. Dangerous if he keeps the volume. Seems unnatural at 300lbs...
It's clustered at the top, but the division is transitional otherwise. AJ was exposed by a decent boxer (though Povetkin gave him trouble too), Wilder is dangerous - but relies on his athleticism, Fury sat on his punches more, but the Kronk style tends to get found out.
The nearly guys aren't as good or entertaining. Kownacki was great value for money, but he was always going to get knocked out - swarming has limitations at heavyweight.
You've good prospects like Hrgovic who will give you a highlight reel knockout, but we are 4 years from them hatching. Good amateurs like Majidov and Joyce don't seem to translate as well to the pros. Dychko looks like he can bang too.
I really wanted to see Gassiev with the extra weight. Not a great boxer, but a good watch with big power. Looks pretty chunky on his insta atm. Have him at maybe 230 looking at pictures. Still don't believe he's nearly 6 foot 4 though.
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I rank off past results not potential...
Hunter over Povetkin? They have a draw.
Povetkin has only lost to Klit and AJ.
Hunter has lost to Usyk.
Should Usyk go in ahead of Hunter and Povetkin?
Whyte over Ruiz? Ruiz beat Joshua. Both men lost to Joshua, Whyte convincingly.
Hunter over Povetkin? They have a draw.
Povetkin has only lost to Klit and AJ.
Hunter has lost to Usyk.
Should Usyk go in ahead of Hunter and Povetkin?
Ruiz beat AJ, but was badly out boxed in the rematch. Ruiz is a brilliant fighter. Great handspeed, proper Mexican style. It's just a shame he's a tubby mess. Whyte was shite against Wach, but Rivas was a sound win. Could maybe do with being sub 18 stone though. Seems to be a little too heavy and be vulnerable late on (Parker and Rivas fights). 17.5 seems to suit him. Whyte lost to AJ 4 years ago, not relevant now. Ruiz scalping AJ was great, but he has Dimitrenko, AJ and Johnson in the last 2 years. Whyte has Browne, Chisora, Rivas, Wach, Parker...
Povetkin has only lost to Klit & AJ (I felt Huck nudged it too), but I felt Hunter beat him narrowly. On those numbers, he's only beat Hughie and Pricey in the last 2 years. Winner of Whyte/Povetkin comes 4th.
Hunter lost to Usyk as a cruiser - different weight class. I just haven't seen anything from Usyk at heavyweight to justify his entry. Brilliant cruiser, untested as a professional heavy. An old Chazz Witherspoon doesn't show me enough. I expect Usyk to be up there - you can put him in there yet though.
Developing a points system is the best way to settle it. I'm perceiving it, rather than applying logic if that makes sense?
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Yeah, but that was at CW, and Hunter was always weight drained there.
He's looks MUCH better since he moved up. Same skillset but more power and more stamina.
I'm not sure exactly where he ranks based on opponents, but I rank him VERY highly based on talent & potential.
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I will answer this after the Chisora fight. I have two concerns about Usyk at heavyweight. He's becoming more injury prone since moving up and admitted he was "too light" against Witherspoon. If his body is struggling and he's wanting to get heavier, it won't end well. So much of Usyk's game is movement. I genuinely wonder if he can fight at 105kg and still be "Usyk". Usyk doesn't have massive one punch power, he slowly wears you down. I really liked the Chisora fight and would use that as a grounding. I'm a very big fan. Just wonder if his body is better suited to cw.
Hunter has a draw with Povetkin and wins over Bakole + Kuzmin in the last two years. Decent enough if I'm honest. He was fancied against neither. Kuzmin was viewed as pretty dangerous. He's earned the right to be in the lower part of the chasing pack. Good to watch too.
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No idea. I'm just really looking forward to some great maychuips that should theoretically happen in the next few years.
FWIW, I loved Usyk at CW, but I have strong doubts he can fufill his promise at HW. - But no doubt he's going to be massively entertaining.
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Ruiz Jr. seems far too fucking low. I haven't slept at all today, but I'll see if I can give it a go:
- Fury
- Joshua
- Ruiz Jr.
- Wilder
- Whyte
- Pulev
- Parker
- Povetkin
- Hunter
- Ortiz
- Chisora
- Rivas
- Joyce
- Helenius
- Martin
- Kownacki
- Bakole
- Hrgovic
- Ajagba
- Kuzmin
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Whyte vs. Povetkin will answer a few rankings questions for me personally...
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Updated Rankings -
- Fury
- Joshua
- Ruiz Jr
- Wilder
- Povetkin
- Usyk
- Hunter
- Pulev
- Ortiz
- Whyte
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Povetkin is as they say the best HW to never hold the full HW title. The experience and danger he poses has only been handled once by Klitschko excessively holding and a younger AJ in a war.
Can't have a top 5 that doesn't include Povetkin even if he loses to the big 3.
Can't have a top 5 that doesn't include Povetkin even if he loses to the big 3.
Right, his only losses have been to the consenus #1 ranked heavyweight in the world at the time when he fought them
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That win really separates out the rankings now. I had Povetkin beating Hunter, but Hunter gets pulled up higher. Povetkin beat the #5 ranked HW and drew with a top 10. Not a lot of HW's have a win that can match it other than Ruiz Jr., Fury, and Joshua.
- Fury
- Joshua
- Povetkin
- Ruiz Jr.
- Wilder
- Hunter
- Pulev
- Whyte
- Parker
- Ortiz