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@Mexi-Box @46 Wins

Ruiz has to go in ahead of Povetkin.
Joshua stopped Povetkin clearly.
Ruiz ko'd Joshua and AJ ran in the rematch...
That's a fair shout and I did struggle with the placements of these two and I considered putting Ruiz Jr above him as he is the former unified champion but then I looked at the losses and although Pov got stopped by AJ as you highlighted, Ruiz Jr lost to Parker whereas Pov has only ever lost to the #1 (unified champ) heavyweight in the world.

Parker has never been #1 or unified but he still beat Ruiz Jr so based on the losses I got Pov just edging it out :good
 
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@Mexi-Box @46 Wins

Ruiz has to go in ahead of Povetkin.
Joshua stopped Povetkin clearly.
Ruiz ko'd Joshua and AJ ran in the rematch...
I get what you're saying, but Povetkin's resume is much, much deeper. On top of that, Ruiz Jr.'s defeat to Joshua was quite humiliating. I think that recent loss drags him down a lot.

Povetkin's recent matches:
Whyte: KO W
Hunter: D
Fury: UD W

Ruiz Jr's recent matches:
Joshua: UD L
Joshua: TKO W
Dimitrenko: RTD W

I think consistent depth here wins over one big win.
 
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That's a fair shout and I did struggle with the placements of these two and I considered putting Ruiz Jr above him as he is the former unified champion but then I looked at the losses and although Pov got stopped by AJ as you highlighted, Ruiz Jr lost to Parker whereas Pov has only ever lost to the #1 (unified champ) heavyweight in the world.

Parker has never been #1 or unified but he still beat Ruiz Jr so based on the losses I got Pov just edging it out :good
Parker fought at home, and got the decision in an even match that could have gone either way. That won him the WBO title, and a fight against AJ. AJ also went the distance with Parker, his first win over 12 rounds. In a fight by the way where the ref ruined Parker's chances to fight on the inside against AJ. Later, Ruiz knocks down AJ. This round robin tells me that Ruiz could (and should) have been better managed a bit earlier in his career (so he would have had better preparations for the Parker fight and not having to fight away what could have been his break through fight), and that Ruiz's biggest problem is his eating problems and discipline. However, he was outboxed by a AJ who was afraid of engaging with him on close range, and needs to get back in shape and get another decent win. In short, Ruiz has the potential to be top 2-3 in the heavyweight division, but needs to get back with a good top 10 win to prove that. After Arreola, Ruiz versus the winner Whyte-Povetkin would probably tell us what is the top 5 in the division. But how Ruiz and other heavyweights fare against Fury or AJ won't materialise before 2022, at a time I think Fury may have retired after two fights with AJ. Consequently, I think Ruiz and the likes of Whyte will fight nothing but contenders during 2021 and into 2022. A rematch with Parker could possibly be in Ruiz' interest, if Parker pulls off a decent win in the coming months.
 
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Parker fought at home, and got the decision in an even match that could have gone either way. That won him the WBO title, and a fight against AJ. AJ also went the distance with Parker, his first win over 12 rounds. In a fight by the way where the ref ruined Parker's chances to fight on the inside against AJ. Later, Ruiz knocks down AJ. This round robin tells me that Ruiz could (and should) have been better managed a bit earlier in his career (so he would have had better preparations for the Parker fight and not having to fight away what could have been his break through fight), and that Ruiz's biggest problem is his eating problems and discipline. However, he was outboxed by a AJ who was afraid of engaging with him on close range, and needs to get back in shape and get another decent win. In short, Ruiz has the potential to be top 2-3 in the heavyweight division, but needs to get back with a good top 10 win to prove that. After Arreola, Ruiz versus the winner Whyte-Povetkin would probably tell us what is the top 5 in the division. But how Ruiz and other heavyweights fare against Fury or AJ won't materialise before 2022, at a time I think Fury may have retired after two fights with AJ. Consequently, I think Ruiz and the likes of Whyte will fight nothing but contenders during 2021 and into 2022. A rematch with Parker could possibly be in Ruiz' interest, if Parker pulls off a decent win in the coming months.

Damn good post. :good
 
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I wish someone from RING could explain how Ortiz is above Ruiz and Parker, that would be interesting to hear their reasoning. But I see Whyte and Povetkin haven't simply swapped places from their last rankings update, Whyte hangs on to his top 5 position and Povetkin enters the top 5
 
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I wish someone from RING could explain how Ortiz is above Ruiz and Parker, that would be interesting to hear their reasoning. But I see Whyte and Povetkin haven't simply swapped places from their last rankings update, Whyte hangs on to his top 5 position and Povetkin enters the top 5
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I was about to post the same. Ruiz Jr. belongs in the top 5. You'd think he didn't beat Joshua was was undefeated or something...

I have trouble even putting Ortiz above Chisora.

Chisora last 5: Takam, Price, Whyte, Gashi, and Szpilka
Ortiz last 5: Wilder x2, Hammer, Cojanu, Kauffman

Seems like Chisora should be above Ortiz. Only putting Ortiz above because it just seems natural for some reason, but it's very hard to argue with having him in the top 10 even. It just feels like everyone is still ranking him based on that Jennings win. He looked good in both Wilder fights, but he lost both of them and has done nothing since then.

I can understand the argument for Ruiz Jr. being above Povetkin. Has the better overall win, beat the man that beat him, but I can't seem to understand Wilder being above Povetkin. Povetkin has more depth and the better single win than Wilder, Whyte>Ortiz. I'd have both Ruiz Jr. and Povetkin above Wilder. Seems everyone/most have Wilder above them both. I'd like to seen an argument why.

Seems the rankings are also unfair to have Pulev under Rivas. I don't think that's a fair placement.
 
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@wesshaw1985

I was about to post the same. Ruiz Jr. belongs in the top 5. You'd think he didn't beat Joshua who was undefeated or something...

I have trouble even putting Ortiz above Chisora.

Chisora last 5: Takam, Price, Whyte, Gashi, and Szpilka
Ortiz last 5: Wilder x2, Hammer, Cojanu, Kauffman

Seems like Chisora should be above Ortiz. Only putting Ortiz above because it just seems natural for some reason, but it's very hard to argue with having him in the top 10 even. It just feels like everyone is still ranking him based on that Jennings win. He looked good in both Wilder fights, but he lost both of them and has done nothing since then.
Ruiz has to be above Povetkin for me.
If Joshua is number 2 today, then Ruiz beat and got decisiond by the no.2 HW and Povetkin got ko'd by him.

As for Ortiz, he has also stepped up and faced Wilder after fighting poor opposition and gave a good showing of himself.
I rank him highly due to the avoidance he has faced. I reckon Ortiz flattens Chisora and Whyte...
 
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I can understand the argument for Ruiz Jr. being above Povetkin. Has the better overall win, beat the man that beat him, but I can't seem to understand Wilder being above Povetkin. Povetkin has more depth and the better single win than Wilder, Whyte>Ortiz. I'd have both Ruiz Jr. and Povetkin above Wilder. Seems everyone/most have Wilder above them both. I'd like to seen an argument why.

Seems the rankings are also unfair to have Pulev under Rivas. I don't think that's a fair placement.
Well I got Wilder sitting on top of Povetkin myself so I guess I need to explain. Um so firstly I agree Povetkin's win column is stronger than Wilder's but I got Wilder a spot above for these reasons;

  1. Wilder's ONLY career defeat comes to the man that everyone agrees is the current number 1 in the world (who himself is undefeated)
  2. Wilder held a full world title
  3. Wilder made 10 defences of that world title (I think it was 10 right or 11?)
  4. Povetkin didn't beat Michael Hunter
There will be some scrutiny over who those title defences were made against but he took on all his mandatory's, voluntarily took on Ortiz twice when others were ducking him and after he failed a drug test and you can only fight the fighters in the rankings and if it was good enough for Klitschko then it should be good enough for Wilder too. Also, Wilder went to Russia to defend his title against Povetkin and Povetkin pissed hot so that's why I'll hold my positions for now.
 
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Interesting question:

Whyte - Povetkin II is going to happen, and probably very soon.

The likely result is a Whyte victory by KO. If that happens, where does Whyte rank?
Surely not a s high as before the loss, but given the state of the division right now ....
 

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Interesting question:

Whyte - Povetkin II is going to happen, and probably very soon.

The likely result is a Whyte victory by KO. If that happens, where does Whyte rank?
Surely not a s high as before the loss, but given the state of the division right now ....
At the highest, 5th. I think AJ, Wilder, Fury, and Ruiz should all be above him.
 
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Interesting question:

Whyte - Povetkin II is going to happen, and probably very soon.

The likely result is a Whyte victory by KO. If that happens, where does Whyte rank?
Surely not a s high as before the loss, but given the state of the division right now ....
#5 max...
 
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Fury
Joshua
Povetkin
Hunter
Wilder
Ruiz
Whyte
Parker
Pulev
Helenius
Hunter ahead of Wilder? WTF?

And you have Helenius at #10? Perhaps you should check his record. Having high-level experience doesn't count if you LOST those fights.
Heck, I'd put slow-hands Joe Joyce at #10 before Helenius.


If you wanna' give your reasons, I'm open to the argument, but I don't see any possible justification.
 
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