Dave Allen vs. David Price - July 20th 2019

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Allen vs. Price Winner and How?

  • Dave Allen Stoppage

    Votes: 38 80.9%
  • Dave Allen Decision

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • David Price Decision

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • David Price Stoppage

    Votes: 8 17.0%

  • Total voters
    47
  • Poll closed .
Sep 22, 2014
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Cracking fight, I like both guys. I think on paper Allan should be favourite, but I have a feeling Price is gonna box well like he did against Povetkin, he won't fear Allan and Pricey has all the physical advantages. Price's worst enemy in this fight is Price himself. I don't buy that his stamina is that shit, I think his temperament and composure under pressure is shit and that is why he imploded and gases out so badly
You really don’t think Price would fear Allen? At this point I get the feeling Pricey (rightly) fears more than a stiff breeze.
 
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Ar558a

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I think Allen is getting a little excited, he aint fighting Joshua anytime soon. Even if he wins he is 3 or 4 fights from a title shot. If AJ loses he will retire everyday of the week and twice on Sunday before fight guys like Allen.
 

DB Cooper

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I think Allen is getting a little excited, he aint fighting Joshua anytime soon. Even if he wins he is 3 or 4 fights from a title shot. If AJ loses he will retire everyday of the week and twice on Sunday before fight guys like Allen.
If Joshua loses to Ruiz again he will likely need a confidence boosting fight against someone of Allen's level, or not much better.
 
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Ar558a

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Jun 2, 2019
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If Joshua loses to Ruiz again he will likely need a confidence boosting fight against someone of Allen's level, or not much better.
If he loses, I just can't see him having any interest continuing if this is where he has to drop down to.
 

DB Cooper

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May 17, 2013
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Yeh but most don't have £100m in the bank also....
There are none so blind as those that will not see.

I will take great interest in who Joshua fights next if Ruiz beats him again. From your comments, I suspect you will be disappointed with the level of opponent.
 

Ar558a

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Jun 2, 2019
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There are none so blind as those that will not see.

I will take great interest in who Joshua fights next if Ruiz beats him again. From your comments, I suspect you will be disappointed with the level of opponent.
Quite Frankly, I want him to retire if he loses. All he can do from that point is either beat pointless opponents or humilate himself further.
 

DB Cooper

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Quite Frankly, I want him to retire if he loses. All he can do from that point is either beat pointless opponents or humilate himself further.
If Joshua has the fighter's heart every Joshua supporter from Hearn down claims he has, he won't quit after a second Ruiz loss.
 
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DBerry

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Jun 11, 2013
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'Straya, cunt.
If Joshua has the fighter's heart every Joshua supporter from Hearn down claims he has, he won't quit after a second Ruiz loss.
Ima put this out there, I’d be surprised if the rematch happened, I think AJ will be a rare “One Loss And Done”. Mega multimillionaire who’s been exposed, he could bank another ridiculous amounts of millions for the rematch, though, so I could be wrong.
 
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Ima put this out there, I’d be surprised if the rematch happened, I think AJ will be a rare “One Loss And Done”. Mega multimillionaire who’s been exposed, he could bank another ridiculous amounts of millions for the rematch, though, so I could be wrong.
Looks like AJs team are chasing it given Ruiz's announcement today.
 

DB Cooper

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Ima put this out there, I’d be surprised if the rematch happened, I think AJ will be a rare “One Loss And Done”. Mega multimillionaire who’s been exposed, he could bank another ridiculous amounts of millions for the rematch, though, so I could be wrong.
Surely not? Joshua hasn't even turned 30 yet. For a heavyweight he is still a comparative baby.

Listening to Joe Calzaghe speak recently. He said that prior to the Roy Jones fight :

"I knew this was my last fight. My hands were gone. My elbow. My wrists. My back. I was starting to cut corners in training. I even counted the rounds down in the fight."

"But would I have fought again if Roy had beaten me? Off course I would."
 
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Ar558a

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If Joshua has the fighter's heart every Joshua supporter from Hearn down claims he has, he won't quit after a second Ruiz loss.
Hmm I'm a big AJ fan but I don't want to see him humiliate themselves for no reason. Quite frankly losing to a fat guy twice proves AJ isn't who any of his fans hoped he was. I'd rather keep the memories of his great rise and wins over Whyte, Martin, Wlad etc, than watch him fight domestic and third tier guys. You are either World Class or you should pack up and go home. A second Ruiz loss means the later for AJ.

Looks like AJs team are chasing it given Ruiz's announcement today.
Ruiz is trying to force to favourable ground for him, but I believe that EH will have the contract written in such a way that AJ has full control of location and split of rematch. I'm guessing Ruiz is hoping that EH won't risk a drawn out court battle if Ruiz refuses the Cardiff fight and give him a favourable US fight.

Ima put this out there, I’d be surprised if the rematch happened, I think AJ will be a rare “One Loss And Done”. Mega multimillionaire who’s been exposed, he could bank another ridiculous amounts of millions for the rematch, though, so I could be wrong.
I'm in two minds about this one, maybe on reflection if he believes he really can't beat Ruiz then retiring is the best option. I still think he can and should win the rematch but I also think retiring is the less risky route. Ok he loses £20m but he retires with his health, £100m and some semblance of dignity. He fights Ruiz again and loses and he becomes a joke in the division which will only get worse if Ruiz loses to Wilder, Fury or Whyte. The only way for AJ to retain any dignity in that scenario is Ruiz beats all of the above and then at least he lost to the best of the generation but I don't see that happening. Like it or not but the unbeaten record is a big thing in the marketing and reputation of a fighter now especially with the casual fan's who appear to be the bulk of Joshua's supporters, also losing to Ruiz again would be embarrassing as even if Boxing "experts" say he is a good fighter to everyone else he is just a fat unfit guy.
 
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Hmm I'm a big AJ fan but I don't want to see him humiliate themselves for no reason. Quite frankly losing to a fat guy twice proves AJ isn't who any of his fans hoped he was. I'd rather keep the memories of his great rise and wins over Whyte, Martin, Wlad etc, than watch him fight domestic and third tier guys. You are either World Class or you should pack up and go home. A second Ruiz loss means the later for AJ.



Ruiz is trying to force to favourable ground for him, but I believe that EH will have the contract written in such a way that AJ has full control of location and split of rematch. I'm guessing Ruiz is hoping that EH won't risk a drawn out court battle if Ruiz refuses the Cardiff fight and give him a favourable US fight.



I'm in two minds about this one, maybe on reflection if he believes he really can't beat Ruiz then retiring is the best option. I still think he can and should win the rematch but I also think retiring is the less risky route. Ok he loses £20m but he retires with his health, £100m and some semblance of dignity. He fights Ruiz again and loses and he becomes a joke in the division which will only get worse if Ruiz loses to Wilder, Fury or Whyte. The only way for AJ to retain any dignity in that scenario is Ruiz beats all of the above and then at least he lost to the best of the generation but I don't see that happening. Like it or not but the unbeaten record is a big thing in the marketing and reputation of a fighter now especially with the casual fan's who appear to be the bulk of Joshua's supporters, also losing to Ruiz again would be embarrassing as even if Boxing "experts" say he is a good fighter to everyone else he is just a fat unfit guy.
Both are obviously looking for a location favourable to them and it will now come down to what was in the previous contract and what can be negotiated. Ruiz hardly owes AJ a home fight after being called in as a short notice replacement in a fight that was already scheduled for the US.

In this era where the importance of being unbeaten is seen as almost imperative, Ruiz has already tarnished AJ's record and another loss to him won't really make things that much worse. On the other hand, if AJ shows the balls to rematch and beat Ruiz the loss will at least be avenged and he can move ahead and fight the likes of Wilder and Fury.

AJ has talked constantly about legacy and this is about legacy, not money.
 

Ar558a

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Both are obviously looking for a location favourable to them and it will now come down to what was in the previous contract and what can be negotiated. Ruiz hardly owes AJ a home fight after being called in as a short notice replacement in a fight that was already scheduled for the US.

In this era where the importance of being unbeaten is seen as almost imperative, Ruiz has already tarnished AJ's record and another loss to him won't really make things that much worse. On the other hand, if AJ shows the balls to rematch and beat Ruiz the loss will at least be avenged and he can move ahead and fight the likes of Wilder and Fury.

AJ has talked constantly about legacy and this is about legacy, not money.

It's not down to owed it's all contractual, but if you want to look at it that way AJ/EH handed him the golden ticket for free in his home country so it seems fair AJ gets a shot to regain them in his.

While I agree that his record is irrecoverably tarnished now whatever, I completely diasgree that a second loss makes no difference, it makes all the difference. One loss is bad but anyone can have one bad night, can underestimate someone or make silly mistakes. A second loss means he is definitively not good enough and will be seen by everyone outside the hardcore boxing community as a charlatan who flattered to deceive and couldn't beat a fat guy TWICE. AJ may be the first boxer whose entire career is built on his marketability and therefore his legacy is irrevocably tied to that too, this means no win NO legacy.

I can't say for certain he retires, I know I'm influenced by the fact I want him too but if he genuinely loses to Ruiz again any future career basically has to avoid any guy with similar characteristics. He would also have to accept he will pretty much be earning no money, I would be amazed if he could make even 10% of the PPV buys after as second Ruiz loss. Maybe a Whyte fight would do Ok but I can't see Whyte taking that fight even given that the WBC will never let him fight Wilder.
 
It's not down to owed it's all contractual, but if you want to look at it that way AJ/EH handed him the golden ticket for free in his home country so it seems fair AJ gets a shot to regain them in his.
You are talking like Joshua and Hearn did Ruiz a favour.
They took the fight in the US because it paid the most money.
Ruiz wants the fight again in the US. He is the champ, he has the right to choose just as Joshua did in the first fight.

The fight should happen in the US, i'd like to see it happen in Texas at the Stadium...
 
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