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It’s been reported that Khan is been trained by Alex Ariza & DeGale’s quoted it & put time with it.

I think most boxing fans believe Khan was on roids whilst working with Ariza as he couldn’t hold a shot before or after working with him but could take bombs off of Maidana whilst using him.

But what I find surprising is another British boxer coming out & pretty much accusing a fellow Brit of doping. Be interesting to see the reaction to it.
 
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It’s been reported that Khan is been trained by Alex Ariza & DeGale’s quoted it & put time with it.

I think most boxing fans believe Khan was on roids whilst working with Ariza as he couldn’t hold a shot before or after working with him but could take bombs off of Maidana whilst using him.

But what I find surprising is another British boxer coming out & pretty much accusing a fellow Brit of doping. Be interesting to see the reaction to it.
Yes because Deca Duroblin gives you a good chin.

The shit I read on here.
 
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It’s been reported that Khan is been trained by Alex Ariza & DeGale’s quoted it & put time with it.

I think most boxing fans believe Khan was on roids whilst working with Ariza as he couldn’t hold a shot before or after working with him but could take bombs off of Maidana whilst using him.

But what I find surprising is another British boxer coming out & pretty much accusing a fellow Brit of doping. Be interesting to see the reaction to it.
By that criterion Degale probably himself on the juice...all his performances in his channel 5 days. Was tired and lethargic then for a couple of years his energy and output in the ring went to the next level.
 
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Yes because Deca Duroblin gives you a good chin.

The shit I read on here.
Yeah true if David Price was on the juice would his chin become cast iron.

In anycase Alex Ariza worked with the 2 biggest superstars of the last decade...in Pacquaio and Mayweather...If Ariza is indeed a roid coach, they should be questioned first.

The person to intially make implications about Ariza is Degales friend Malignaggi.
After make accusations on Pacquaio for
Years he then hired Memo Heredia as his conditioner...And Heredia by his own admission was a roid coach in the past working with huge sport stars like Marion Jones.
 
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It’s been reported that Khan is been trained by Alex Ariza & DeGale’s quoted it & put time with it.

I think most boxing fans believe Khan was on roids whilst working with Ariza as he couldn’t hold a shot before or after working with him but could take bombs off of Maidana whilst using him.

But what I find surprising is another British boxer coming out & pretty much accusing a fellow Brit of doping. Be interesting to see the reaction to it.
Well I have heard far more similarly accusations being directed....at the Ingle gym. As a roid gym.

Questions as to how fighters at that gym have the uncanny ability to make weight without being depleted.

Dont know much about Steroids but heard someone mention a conspiracy theory that some steroids can weaken bones as a side effect... Making a bizarre allegation that Kell Brooks broken eye sockets and ability to make welterweight for over a decade was probably also due to Steroid abuse.

These accusations are all nonsense until proven.
 
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I hope Clarence "Bones" Adams gets more gigs after this fight. Very good and skilled fighter back in the day.

As an 18 year old fought the legendary Orlando Canizales and gave a great account of himself.

That fight had one of the strangest endings his dad who was also his trainer was incensed that the over officious referee had unfairly deducted a point from clarence and the dad stopped the fight during the 11 th round.

Clarence fighting style was based on speed and movement. And his coaching style also focuses on that good footwork, balance speed, movement. Too late in the day for Khan to benefit.
 
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Well I have heard far more similarly accusations being directed....at the Ingle gym. As a roid gym.

Questions as to how fighters at that gym have the uncanny ability to make weight without being depleted.

Dont know much about Steroids but heard someone mention a conspiracy theory that some steroids can weaken bones as a side effect... Making a bizarre allegation that Kell Brooks broken eye sockets and ability to make welterweight for over a decade was probably also due to Steroid abuse.

These accusations are all nonsense until proven.
Who knows? I could believe anything these days.

Just think Khan’s one of the most obvious cases of doping without a positive test due to the fitness & punch resistance he had whilst working with Ariza but not before or after.

What shocked me was another fighter outright accusing him, you don’t tend to get that apart from Whyte with Joshua
 

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Yes because Deca Duroblin gives you a good chin.

The shit I read on here.
It’s not rocket science, taking PEDS means you can train harder & faster & recover much quicker.

Do you honestly think the Khan that fought Prescott or Crawford could’ve taken a sustained beating like he did against Maidana for them couple of round towards the end?
 
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Who knows? I could believe anything these days.

Just think Khan’s one of the most obvious cases of doping without a positive test due to the fitness & punch resistance he had whilst working with Ariza but not before or after.

What shocked me was another fighter outright accusing him, you don’t tend to get that apart from Whyte with Joshua
Nothing wrong with khans punch resistance and fitness when he fought Collazo, Alexander and Algieri...not entirely sure if PEDs increase punch resistance either....He did not have alex ariza in his corner for any of those fights.

Regardless Khan is completly shot he is done as a fighter...no amount of juice is going to change that.

Perhaps the real question should be as to which fighters at world level have not taken Steroids....The amount of money at stake given that most fighters are from completley impoverished backgrounds. I should think they would try to take any edge they can get in order to transform their lives from one of struggle to one of ease and comfort.
 
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Nothing wrong with khans punch resistance and fitness when he fought Collazo, Alexander and Algieri...not entirely sure if PEDs increase punch resistance either....He did not have alex ariza in his corner for any of those fights.

Regardless Khan is completly shot he is done as a fighter...no amount of juice is going to change that.

Perhaps the real question should be as to which fighters at world level have not taken Steroids....The amount of money at stake given that most fighters are from completley impoverished backgrounds. I should think they would try to take any edge they can get in order to transform their lives from one of struggle to one of ease and comfort.
I honestly can’t remember Collazo or Alexander landing anything meaningful on Khan, he boxed superbly in them fights. If he did take many flush shots I stand corrected but I can’t remember them.

Algieri can’t punch to be fair. He couldn’t even get rid of Tommy Coyle with punches, it was a corner pull out.

I just feel the version of Khan that fought Maidana, Judah, Peterson etc whilst with Ariza was so much fitter, stronger & powerful than anything we’ve seen before or after.

I completely agree on your last point. Canelo’s 6 month suspension when he only tends to fight twice a year makes a mockery of the sport. Until we get worldwide 2 & 4 year bans like cycling & athletics nothing will change
 
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I honestly can’t remember Collazo or Alexander landing anything meaningful on Khan, he boxed superbly in them fights. If he did take many flush shots I stand corrected but I can’t remember them.

Algieri can’t punch to be fair. He couldn’t even get rid of Tommy Coyle with punches, it was a corner pull out.

I just feel the version of Khan that fought Maidana, Judah, Peterson etc whilst with Ariza was so much fitter, stronger & powerful than anything we’ve seen before or after.

I completely agree on your last point. Canelo’s 6 month suspension when he only tends to fight twice a year makes a mockery of the sport. Until we get worldwide 2 & 4 year bans like cycling & athletics nothing will change
Collazo did not land a meaningful shot in the first 6rnds... he did catch Khan during the last half of that fight. And hurt him with a vicious left hook in 8th Rnd...The same kind of hook that he demolished Victor Ortiz with.. Khan managed to stay on his feet.

Devon Alexander caught Khan with more meaningful shots than Zab Judah did infact he rattled Khan in the very first Rnd..from what I recall.

As far as Algieri goes...you stated Khan has never been able to take a meaningful punch before or since working with Ariza... well if Khans chin is made of papermache as you claim. Those flush punches from Algieri should have knocked him out.

Only time Khan has been put to sleep was by Alvarez...other times he has gone down but got up.

You stated in your original post most boxing fans feel Khan was on steroids...I have not seen many threads or posts reflecting that.

No more then those being suspicious of Brook...In Brooks case its guilt by association his coach Dominic Ingle is body builder and suspected of using Steroids. His gym mate Kid Galahad was banned for steroids.

With Khan guilt by association was that some people suspected Manny Pacquaios ability to move through the divisions and maintain his strength was down to PEDs.

Even if that was the case there is no evidence that Alex Ariza would be the one supplying the PED, to Pacquaio...others are stating here you would need a specialist Doctor or an expert in that area...Furthermore Pacquaio has never been proven to on the Steroids.

What matters is evidence....maybe Alex Ariza is a PED expert....maybe Dominic Ingle does use steroids and has supplied them to his fighter.

Another question in my mind is Khan has never been short of money...why would he need to rely on Alex Ariza when he could have hired a Dr who is specialist to give him steroids and how to avoid detection...and he could have done that before working with Ariza and after working with Ariza.

After Khan joined wildcard Freddie Roach had him move up a weight division said Khans punch resistance was being affected by shrivelling his body to make weight....From what I recall Alex Ariza was fired by Team Khan after the Maidana fight. He was not Khans conditioning coach for the duration of his time at Wild Card.
 
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Everyone knows Alex Ariza was doping up his fighters probably why he doesnt have as many now theyd fail tests its getting stricter
 
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Everyone knows Alex Ariza was doping up his fighters probably why he doesnt have as many now theyd fail tests its getting stricter
Or could be that not many can afford him he comes at a premium.
Plus he seems to be an unlikable chap...got fired from Wild Card...got fired from Garcias gym. Is a ruthless attention seeker always trying to take the publicity for himself.

The original S/C guy who was never hired by anyone else was Tim Hallmark...he was the first fitness guy to become famous during his work with Holyfield.

Mind you I do recall Larry Holmes mentioning in his biography...that he at one time hired a nutritionist fitness.expert....when Holmes body broke out with acne, he discovered the guy was giving him supplements spiked with steroids.

Similarly Buddy Mcgirt after one his fighters tested positive said about the.strength,and.conditioning.the.fighter had hired doing the same.

Being a S/C coach is fairly lucrative gig in boxing now adays...Any fitness guy who wants to build a reputation as an elite in this field, might be tempted to supply PED,S with or without the fighters knowledge.

Heard similar stories in track..and field...coaches sometimes spiking supplements of their athletes in order to build their own reputations. As elite coaches. Its a dog eat dog world out there.

Everybody is on the hustle in boxing...the ones who know how to.hustle are the ones who make the most money...from S/C coaches to boxing trainers, Promoters,.to media relations guys, to personal chefs, and chiropractors.

As Manny Steward mentioned the Boxing
Coach used to do everything just a few decades ago in the 1980's... He was the boxing coach, he was responsible for fitness, he was the masseuse, he did the cooking in camp, he was the spokes person and dealt with the media...now adays their is a specialist in every area.

Eddie Hearn mentioned AJ had a team of 22 people an expert in every area.catering to his every need in camp.

That big of a team was only utilised by football clubs and in other team sports. At one time.
 
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