Deontay Wilder (WBC) vs. Andy Ruiz Jr (WBA, IBF, WBO & IBO)

Wilder vs. Ruiz Jr Winner and How?

  • Deontay Wilder Stoppage

    Votes: 16 76.2%
  • Deontay Wilder Decision

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Andy Ruiz Jr Decision

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Andy Ruiz Jr Stoppage

    Votes: 5 23.8%

  • Total voters
    21
Jun 4, 2013
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Dumbfounds me a bit. Are you guys sure you're talking about the same Wilder? Wilder and "outbox" just doesn't go well together. The only opponent he managed to thoroughly outbox without incident was lazy, fat Stiverne. He got outboxed by Washington, Ortiz, and Szpilka. Other than that, he's been just as vulnerable as AJ. Hell, he managed to get hurt trying to take out Breazeale.

I think you guys are overrating Wilder a lot here.
 
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Dumbfounds me a bit. Are you guys sure you're talking about the same Wilder? Wilder and "outbox" just doesn't go well together. The only opponent he managed to thoroughly outbox without incident was lazy, fat Stiverne. He got outboxed by Washington, Ortiz, and Szpilka. Other than that, he's been just as vulnerable as AJ. Hell, he managed to get hurt trying to take out Breazeale.

I think you guys are overrating Wilder a lot here.

Gotta agree. AJ basically thought he had AR on the ropes. But he was sorely mistaken. AR was fully there and rocked him with a solid overhand right in an exchange most would have lost to AJ. If Wilder tries his wild finisher on AR I can see him getting knocked out. It's not exactly like Wilder's other opponents. AR has some qualities at the HW division. Notably skill, speed, iron jaw and the will to trade.

Both Joey D. and AR are very skilled heavyweights. Both apparently know how to deal with the tall heavyweights. What worked on AJ will work on Wilder. Wilder is going to have to be more defensive, giving up more room to slip the overhand right. That ultimately means less power from Wilder.
 
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Aug 28, 2014
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We’ve seen Ruiz eat massive bombs from Parker and Joshua without blinking, what makes you think Wilder is going to stop him? Ruiz isn’t Breazeale or Stiverne.
Wilder's right hand is at least double the power of AJ's left hook, I can see Ruiz getting repeatedly dropped by it or he would get hit coming in and badly hurt
 
Aug 28, 2014
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Dumbfounds me a bit. Are you guys sure you're talking about the same Wilder? Wilder and "outbox" just doesn't go well together. The only opponent he managed to thoroughly outbox without incident was lazy, fat Stiverne. He got outboxed by Washington, Ortiz, and Szpilka. Other than that, he's been just as vulnerable as AJ. Hell, he managed to get hurt trying to take out Breazeale.

I think you guys are overrating Wilder a lot here.
Dont think Wilder outboxes anyone but he can walk Ruiz into a perfect right hand like he did all those guys, Wilder tries to bore you to sleep then land a right hand when your not ready its quite unfair to say he gets outboxed when hes not even trying to win rounds
 

Ar558a

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I think Wilder wins but I would sat it's a 55/45 fight. If it went longer than 4 or 5 I'd pick Ruiz but Wilder could easily Breazeale him early.
 
Jun 6, 2013
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I don't think Fat Andy can easily beat Wilder,
But I think Wilder can easily beat himself, just like he did against Fury.

A 505 / 50 fight, because Andy has a granite chin, and because Wilder has a paper mache brain.
 
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Dont think Wilder outboxes anyone but he can walk Ruiz into a perfect right hand like he did all those guys, Wilder tries to bore you to sleep then land a right hand when your not ready its quite unfair to say he gets outboxed when hes not even trying to win rounds
Fair call. Wilder doesn't win rounds. He wins fights.
 
Jun 4, 2013
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I don't think Fat Andy can easily beat Wilder,
But I think Wilder can easily beat himself, just like he did against Fury.

A 505 / 50 fight, because Andy has a granite chin, and because Wilder has a paper mache brain.
Wilder beats himself? Or is he just a shit boxer who has power and nothing else? When has he ever outboxed a high level opponent? It’s not his IQ, he simply doesn’t have skills. He commits with every punch he throws and hopes for the best.
 
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Wilder beats himself? Or is he just a shit boxer who has power and nothing else? When has he ever outboxed a high level opponent? It’s not his IQ, he simply doesn’t have skills. He commits with every punch he throws and hopes for the best.
Add speed and good reflexes to that power and hes a problem, the whole heavyweight division is vulnerable
 
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Add speed and good reflexes to that power and hes a problem, the whole heavyweight division is vulnerable
Good speed for his size. Reflexes? I don’t see that. I don’t see him beating Fury, at his best he couldn’t knock out Fury at his worst, and he got his head boxed off
 
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Level as much criticism at Wilder as you like but the undeniable fact is he is very good at winning boxing matches.
He’s beaten who? His only significant win was a fight where he was lucky he didn’t get stopped, and was losing on the scorecards. Not to mention his team had to buy him extra time with the ref to recover.
 

DB Cooper

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May 17, 2013
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He’s beaten who? His only significant win was a fight where he was lucky he didn’t get stopped, and was losing on the scorecards. Not to mention his team had to buy him extra time with the ref to recover.
Who has he beaten? Everybody he has been in the ring with except Fury, and he stopped every last one of them.

Hate Wilder to your heart's content - fill your boots with hate - but don't bullshit about where he stands in the division.
 
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...and he wins and wins and wins.
He’s beaten bums and then in his significant fights (all two of them) his power has bailed him out from certain losses. Why people want to pretend that Fury didn’t expose Wilder every bit as much as Ruiz exposed Joshua I don’t know. Not to mention Joshua had a far better resume in far fewer fights than Wilder.
It’s like knocking out a bum like Breazeale erases everything from peoples minds. If he gets past Ortiz, Fury will beat him more convincingly than last time. The real battle at heavyweight is between Fury, Ruiz, and Usyk.
 
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Who has he beaten? Everybody he has been in the ring with except Fury, and he stopped every last one of them.

Hate him to your heart's content but don't bullshit about where he stands in the division.
Do you know anything about the fighters he has fought? He has fought bums. Molina almost had him out. Ortiz almost had him out, and was on his way to beating him. He went the distance with Stiverne the first time. He got dominated by Fury.
Where he stands in the division is as the true hype job, smoke and mirrors. Everyone gets so excited about a big puncher, especially at heavyweight and especially an American who talks nonsense.
The reality of the situation is he hasn’t proven anything. I like Wilder, I think he’s the most exciting fighter in the sport. But I’m honest, he is not a good boxer, he has no ring iq, he has no skills, he is fragile and he has a good punch.
 

DB Cooper

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May 17, 2013
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Do you know anything about the fighters he has fought? He has fought bums. Molina almost had him out. Ortiz almost had him out, and was on his way to beating him. He went the distance with Stiverne the first time. He got dominated by Fury.
Where he stands in the division is as the true hype job, smoke and mirrors. Everyone gets so excited about a big puncher, especially at heavyweight and especially an American who talks nonsense.
The reality of the situation is he hasn’t proven anything. I like Wilder, I think he’s the most exciting fighter in the sport. But I’m honest, he is not a good boxer, he has no ring iq, he has no skills, he is fragile and he has a good punch.
You can only beat the guy in the other corner and Wilder has stopped 40 out of 41.

There are very few people who know what they are talking about who don't have Wilder top 3. Some have him at 1. Many have him at 2 behind Fury.

Where do you rate Wilder? What number and who do you rate ahead of him?
 
Jun 6, 2013
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Wilder beats himself? Or is he just a shit boxer who has power and nothing else? When has he ever outboxed a high level opponent? It’s not his IQ, he simply doesn’t have skills. He commits with every punch he throws and hopes for the best.

You should probably stop embarrassing yourself now.

I would point out the obvious flaws in your post, but I don't like to engage in a battle of wits with a half-armed man.
 
Aug 28, 2014
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Good speed for his size. Reflexes? I don’t see that. I don’t see him beating Fury, at his best he couldn’t knock out Fury at his worst, and he got his head boxed off
Never seen Wilder lean back and make a punch miss by a few inches?