Deontay Wilder (WBC) vs. Andy Ruiz Jr (WBA, IBF, WBO & IBO)

Wilder vs. Ruiz Jr Winner and How?

  • Deontay Wilder Stoppage

    Votes: 21 80.8%
  • Deontay Wilder Decision

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Andy Ruiz Jr Decision

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Andy Ruiz Jr Stoppage

    Votes: 5 19.2%

  • Total voters
    26
Jun 4, 2013
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If he can catch him there’s everything to suggest Wilder would get him out of there.
Based on what evidence? I think Wilder might be the best puncher ever. But there is more evidence that Ruiz will knock Wilder out than vice versa. We haven’t seen Ruiz hurt, so what suggests to you that Wilder could knock him out? Joshua is a heavy hitter and his flush shots didn’t deter Ruiz.
 
Sep 5, 2018
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Based on what evidence? I think Wilder might be the best puncher ever. But there is more evidence that Ruiz will knock Wilder out than vice versa. We haven’t seen Ruiz hurt, so what suggests to you that Wilder could knock him out? Joshua is a heavy hitter and his flush shots didn’t deter Ruiz.
I have read your opinion on Wilder's power and how highly you rate it many times on this forum. But now, 'perhaps the best puncher ever,' can't knock Andy Ruiz out?
 
Oct 29, 2018
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Based on what evidence? I think Wilder might be the best puncher ever. But there is more evidence that Ruiz will knock Wilder out than vice versa. We haven’t seen Ruiz hurt, so what suggests to you that Wilder could knock him out? Joshua is a heavy hitter and his flush shots didn’t deter Ruiz.
Joshua’s best win is against a guy coming off a loss who retired straight afterwards. That’s all he has on his resume.
 
Jun 4, 2013
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I have read your opinion on Wilder's power and how highly you rate it many times on this forum. But now, 'perhaps the best puncher ever,' can't knock Andy Ruiz out?
Some people can’t be knocked out due to a multitude of factors. The hardest puncher in the world might not be able to knock out a guy because he can’t hit him. The hardest puncher might not be able to knock out a guy because that guy being punched has the best chin in the world.
That guy might have the combination of being a better boxer, and having a granite chin. And that’s what I think Ruiz is. A different style, a guy who is a better boxer might be able to knock out Ruiz despite not being able to punch anywhere near as hard.
Of course anyone can be knocked out. There isn’t the evidence anywhere to indicate that Wilder is a guy who would knock out Ruiz. There is evidence that it could happen the other way round.
 
Jun 4, 2013
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He goes out of his way to create arguments regardless of how much he contradicts what he has previously written.
When you’re a simpleton with a sub-80 iq then you have trouble following anything other than one plus one, black and white. That’s why you think I’ve contradicted myself somewhere. You have no idea about context or variables.
 
Sep 5, 2018
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Some people can’t be knocked out due to a multitude of factors. The hardest puncher in the world might not be able to knock out a guy because he can’t hit him. The hardest puncher might not be able to knock out a guy because that guy being punched has the best chin in the world.
That guy might have the combination of being a better boxer, and having a granite chin. And that’s what I think Ruiz is. A different style, a guy who is a better boxer might be able to knock out Ruiz despite not being able to punch anywhere near as hard.
Of course anyone can be knocked out. There isn’t the evidence anywhere to indicate that Wilder is a guy who would knock out Ruiz. There is evidence that it could happen the other way round.
An argument built on ifs and buts.

Never ignore the obvious in favor of something of lesser substance.
 
Oct 29, 2018
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When you’re a simpleton with a sub-80 iq then you have trouble following anything other than one plus one, black and white. That’s why you think I’ve contradicted myself somewhere. You have no idea about context or variables.
Your frequent contradictions, many absolute and total contradictions, make for hilarious reading.
 
May 22, 2013
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If Fury comes through unscathed against Otto then I don't see why Wilder and Fury cant get in a late 2019/early 2020 fight before a potential Wilder VS Ruiz/Joshua fight could happen...... but with their egos it wont happen that way....

So in saying that, good! I agree with Wilder.... if the rematch can't be done in a timely matter then Fury should get the fuck out of the way and make room for full unification!!!
 
Jun 6, 2013
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Here's an interesting question:

Let's say you're Fat Andy, and AJ is no longer in the picture. (either he loses the rematch and doesn't want a third, or the rematch terms can't be finalized so Andy is shopping around.... )

And let's say Andy either doesn't want a stay-busy fight, or he gets one out of the way quickly.
Either way, it's now time to go for all the glory.

Who would you rather face, Fury or Wilder?

Fury is safer in terms of not getting your brain cells rearranged, but Fury has the mobility to make Andy look clueless in the ring.

Wilder of course is the sacriest mofo currently occupying the squared circle, but Andy has the exact style to possibly take him out. A much better chance, though incredibly dangerous, of actually winning.


IMO.
 

DB Cooper

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May 17, 2013
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Here's an interesting question:

Let's say you're Fat Andy, and AJ is no longer in the picture. (either he loses the rematch and doesn't want a third, or the rematch terms can't be finalized so Andy is shopping around.... )

And let's say Andy either doesn't want a stay-busy fight, or he gets one out of the way quickly.
Either way, it's now time to go for all the glory.

Who would you rather face, Fury or Wilder?

Fury is safer in terms of not getting your brain cells rearranged, but Fury has the mobility to make Andy look clueless in the ring.

Wilder of course is the sacriest mofo currently occupying the squared circle, but Andy has the exact style to possibly take him out. A much better chance, though incredibly dangerous, of actually winning.


IMO.
I get the impression Ruiz is a guy who just wants to fight and would be happy to fight anyone.

Strategically though, the better scenario for Ruiz in his quest to collect all the belts might be for Wilder to take out Fury. Should Fury beat Wilder I think he would then beat Ruiz too.
 
May 22, 2013
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Here's an interesting question:

Let's say you're Fat Andy, and AJ is no longer in the picture. (either he loses the rematch and doesn't want a third, or the rematch terms can't be finalized so Andy is shopping around.... )

And let's say Andy either doesn't want a stay-busy fight, or he gets one out of the way quickly.
Either way, it's now time to go for all the glory.

Who would you rather face, Fury or Wilder?

Fury is safer in terms of not getting your brain cells rearranged, but Fury has the mobility to make Andy look clueless in the ring.

Wilder of course is the sacriest mofo currently occupying the squared circle, but Andy has the exact style to possibly take him out. A much better chance, though incredibly dangerous, of actually winning.


IMO.
Go for Wilder.

Chase the glory. Big risk big reward. A boring 12 round out boxed loss to Fury, a former champion, is worse than that split second mistake that leads to you catching the bomb from Wilder. Plus the Wilder fight makes him more money.

It's also a historic fight to be in.. First full unification since Lennox Lewis and to my knowledge first 4 belt unification at heavyweight.