RBR!!! Deontay Wilder (WBC) vs. Luis Ortiz II - November 23rd 2019

[Pedderrs]

There just isn't sufficient enough evidence to suggest Wilder is the hardest puncher there has ever been. 2 fighters have gone the distance and he hasn't stopped or hurt anyone with a reputation for great punch resistance. Has he?

 

[REDC]

Who the hell has claimed he is unbeatable? Nobody in the heavyweight division is, especially someone who is as poor of a boxer as Wilder is, who has been sparked cold as an amateur and rocked badly as a pro.
Doesn’t change the fact that he is the hardest puncher there has ever been, and he is a very good chance of knocking out anyone in history.
He’s getting close to being an ATG, despite being an absolutely shit boxer. Some people can’t compute that. I predict that he knocks out Fury then Joshua to unify, and then gets stopped by Ruiz.

So essentially he became an ATG by knocking out Ortiz x2 then.
Because apart from that there's not much on his record. Well yeah the draw against Fury.

 

[gumbo2176]

So essentially he became an ATG by knocking out Ortiz x2 then.
Because apart from that there's not much on his record. Well yeah the draw against Fury.

And as far as I, and many boxing fans are concerned, that draw against Fury was an early Christmas gift by the judges.

The ONLY thing Wilder has as far as boxing talent is his ability to throw very hard punches that can put an opponent to sleep. That singular talent is his great equalizer that negates his rank amateurish boxing style.

If he ever faces a real opponent with a chin and possessing a good boxing talent, he's likely to get his first "L" on his record.

 

[nvs]

I checked the unofficial scoring for the fight and i had it 4-0 to Ortiz after four rounds. Am i alone in this one and do not understand how a boxing match is scored or wtf, Wilder did not do shit before he KO'd (Great KO) Ortiz in my opinion.

 

[nvs]

Irrelevant as it is :

Whew, i thought i lost my ability to score a boxing match but apparently i still have it. Got confused about it when the unofficial scorer had it for Wilder at some point after 4 rounds.

 

[Bachafach]

I really don't understand why people are making such a big deal of Ortiz winning every round. The scorecards to that fight are irrelevant thanks to the power Wilder carries.

Not to mention Ortiz wasnt landing anything meaningful (mostly glancing blows and hitting arms) and Wilder started picking up the pace when Ortiz started to fade. What a peach of a right hand too.

 

[Ar558a]

I had 6-0 up and ten seconds from 7-0 until the big blast. If there is someone out there who can avoid his right hand they will easily take his title but as he floored TF twice and Ortiz after he got schooled by him for almost 7 rounds I'm starting to think that he can lose 11 rounds and 2m 55s and still KO against a far better boxer. I think all of the other big 4 are better technically but I can't make any of them more than 55% favourites (I have AJ at 55/45, Ruiz at 40/60, Fury at 45/55) against him despite there clear skills advantage.

 

[A.C.S]

There just isn't sufficient enough evidence to suggest Wilder is the hardest puncher there has ever been. 2 fighters have gone the distance and he hasn't stopped or hurt anyone with a reputation for great punch resistance. Has he?

Breazeale has a solid chin got hit by every punch in the book by AJ for 7 rounds and Wilder 1 punch finished him

 

[Ar558a]

Breazeale has a solid chin got hit by every punch in the book by AJ for 7 rounds and Wilder 1 punch finished him

To counter, AJ took Molina out in 3 and Wilder took 9 rounds...

 

[DOM5153]

Wilder himself knows his limitations. In the after fight press conference he even said he wished he had some of Ortiz's ability.

That's what makes him so incredibly dangerous, his team aren't worried about what Wilder can't do and he's stronger for it. His whole game plan revolves around setting traps, measuring and then landing that right hand and why shouldn't it. He isn't ever going to be a master boxer and wasn't ever going to be a master boxer when he turned pro. Deontay is a limited but incredibly effective fighter.

 

[A.C.S]

To counter, AJ took Molina out in 3 and Wilder took 9 rounds...

True, but i wasnt saying in terms of speed Wilder one punch KO'd him Breazeale has a solid chin

 

[KOTF]

If he ever faces a real opponent with a chin and possessing a good boxing talent, he's likely to get his first "L" on his record.

There's only like two of those guys in the HW division, and they're both FAT ASSES

 

[gumbo2176]

There's only like two of those guys in the HW division, and they're both FAT ASSES

I'm assuming you are referring to Fury and Ruiz.

 

[Royal Watcher]

Not long after? Look at dates. Look at what I’m replying to. Look at what the predominant position is in a thread. If you don’t understand the context, you’re not reading what I’m saying.
Imagine if everyone could argue both sides of a topic, and consider the context. Even, god forbid, change their mind with exposure to additional evidence. Or even, wait for this, willing to be honest enough to say they simply changed their mind. Imagine.

You make blanket statements one way and then blanket statements the other, when little to nothing has changed in the mean time. Classic bi-polar.

 

[Royal Watcher]

I really don't understand why people are making such a big deal of Ortiz winning every round. The scorecards to that fight are irrelevant thanks to the power Wilder carries.

Glad somebody gets it. Wilder knows he has 12 rounds to get you out of there and bides his time until the opportunity presents. When it does it is BOMBSQUAD time.

 

[Yaboo]

If he ever faces a real opponent with a chin and possessing a good boxing talent, he's likely to get his first "L" on his record.

You don't think Fury or Ortiz were credible opponents?

 

[gumbo2176]

You don't think Fury or Ortiz were credible opponents?

Fury, yes, and I think Fury got robbed of a decision in that fight. Fury showed he has a good chin and popped up from that last round knockdown like it wasn't nothing when all the commentators were thinking he'd not get up from it.

Ortiz, not so much since he obviously doesn't possess a great chin and has been stopped twice by Wilder.

 

[alternative hypothesis]

If he ever faces a real opponent with a chin and possessing a good boxing talent, he's likely to get his first "L" on his record.

Wilder hasn't already? Who is left that can beat him??

 

[Cableaddict]

That's what makes him so incredibly dangerous, his team aren't worried about what Wilder can't do and he's stronger for it. His whole game plan revolves around setting traps, measuring and then landing that right hand and why shouldn't it. He isn't ever going to be a master boxer and wasn't ever going to be a master boxer when he turned pro. Deontay is a limited but incredibly effective fighter.

This is true & a good point, but Wilder does certain things VERY well. He's always had deceptively good defense, esp his footwork which some laughably deride. (Yes, he sometimes stumbles when moving backwards, but that's pretty rare.) He does very good feints. (though again, the basic kind) And his jab, once rather pathetic, has become extremely fast, accurate & dangerous.

And finally, (as Stiverne & many other can attest) he's always been incredibly good at attacking from way outside, either with that "gazelle leap" plus the 1-2, or a long hook.

Sure, he's basic, and sure, he occasionally does some INCREDIBLY stupid shit in the ring, but overall he's always been waaay underrated as a boxer. You don't KO that many guys just because you have power. You have to survive long enough to throw the KO, and you haver to create the openings that allow for it. There's a reason Earnie Shavers was never HW champion.

My big problem with Wilder these days, besides his huge ego, is his new penchant for playing it ridiculously safe & just waiting for the KO.
He lost the Fury fight because of this, (as everyone knows) and he was on his way to being shut-out by Ortiz.
That's not just stupid, it's disrespectful to the fans.

 

[gumbo2176]

Wilder hasn't already? Who is left that can beat him??

IF he fights Fury again, I'm thinking Fury will win by UD.

Hell, if he goes against Ruiz he may find an opponent his punches only piss off if Ruiz can fight like he did against Joshua in winning that part of the HW title.