RBR!!! Deontay Wilder (WBC) vs. Luis Ortiz II - November 23rd 2019

Wilder vs. Ortiz II Winner and How?

  • Deontay Wilder Stoppage

    Votes: 26 92.9%
  • Deontay Widler Decision

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Luis Ortiz Decision

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Luis Ortiz Stoppage

    Votes: 2 7.1%

  • Total voters
    28
  • Poll closed .

Yaboo

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Mar 1, 2019
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Fury, yes, and I think Fury got robbed of a decision in that fight. Fury showed he has a good chin and popped up from that last round knockdown like it wasn't nothing when all the commentators were thinking he'd not get up from it.

Ortiz, not so much since he obviously doesn't possess a great chin and has been stopped twice by Wilder.
So... you're saying Ortiz doesn't have a great chin as he's been stopped twice by Wilder. That is your evidence that Ortiz doesn't have a great chin? Blimey.

You realise Ortiz has only lost twice? Also I don't think he's ever been dropped by anyone apart from Wilder.
 
May 17, 2013
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So... you're saying Ortiz doesn't have a great chin as he's been stopped twice by Wilder. That is your evidence that Ortiz doesn't have a great chin? Blimey.

You realise Ortiz has only lost twice? Also I don't think he's ever been dropped by anyone apart from Wilder.

And Ortiz hasn't exactly fought the "Who's Who" of the heavyweight division in his career. So many of the names on his record I've never heard of or seen fight.

Even the opponents he faced with decent records got many of their wins against other nobodies.
 

Yaboo

Sith Lord
Mar 1, 2019
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And Ortiz hasn't exactly fought the "Who's Who" of the heavyweight division in his career. So many of the names on his record I've never heard of or seen fight.

Even the opponents he faced with decent records got many of their wins against other nobodies.
Ortiz is the most avoided HW on the planet. Whyte (the shite house) has ducked him twice.
 
Jun 9, 2013
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You make blanket statements one way and then blanket statements the other, when little to nothing has changed in the mean time. Classic bi-polar.
I’m not sure if you’re using bi-polar in some other sense, but I have actually have bi-polar and the way you’re describing it is really quite wrong. My moods are often between 2 extremes but that doesn’t mean I just change my mind and make up shit to suit my own agenda.

I might add, I’m in no way endorsing this other guy. He could well be a fucking prick. I haven’t read enough of his posts to tell you. Knowing this forum, probably is.
It’s mostly the bi-polar thing. I’m a bit up and down, but that doesn’t mean I’m a fucking moron.
Cheers anyway though man! Enjoy your night
 
Jun 9, 2013
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Breazeale has the reputation of a solid chin though and he 1 punch KO'd him, shows he has way more power than AJ
Bermane Stiverne has a solid chin. He is one of only 2 men to go the distance with Wilder. Deontay wiped him out inside a round.
 

Football Bat

Piss your pants
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I didn't get too excited about the prospect that Ortiz could win. I knew the outcome before the fight ever started. The fix was in and most everyone is convinced that Wilder is the real deal. I'm certainly not. Sure, the knockout was real, but it was planned. I want to see him fight Ruiz, whom I think won't be bought.
 
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Royal Watcher

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Nov 10, 2014
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I had 6-0 up and ten seconds from 7-0 until the big blast. If there is someone out there who can avoid his right hand they will easily take his title but as he floored TF twice and Ortiz after he got schooled by him for almost 7 rounds I'm starting to think that he can lose 11 rounds and 2m 55s and still KO against a far better boxer. I think all of the other big 4 are better technically but I can't make any of them more than 55% favourites (I have AJ at 55/45, Ruiz at 40/60, Fury at 45/55) against him despite there clear skills advantage.
I can't see how anyone would think AJ has a better chance of beating Wilder than Fury and Ruiz do, let alone have AJ starting favorite against Wilder.
 
Jun 4, 2013
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I had 6-0 up and ten seconds from 7-0 until the big blast. If there is someone out there who can avoid his right hand they will easily take his title but as he floored TF twice and Ortiz after he got schooled by him for almost 7 rounds I'm starting to think that he can lose 11 rounds and 2m 55s and still KO against a far better boxer. I think all of the other big 4 are better technically but I can't make any of them more than 55% favourites (I have AJ at 55/45, Ruiz at 40/60, Fury at 45/55) against him despite there clear skills advantage.
What makes you give Joshua a better chance against Wilder than the other two?
 
Jun 4, 2013
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I didn't get too excited about the prospect that Ortiz could win. I knew the outcome before the fight ever started. The fix was in and most everyone is convinced that Wilder is the real deal. I'm certainly not. Sure, the knockout was real, but it was planned. I want to see him fight Ruiz, whom I think won't be bought.
What the fuck does this even mean? Fix was in? So Ortiz was paid to dominate, then get knocked out by a ‘planned knockout’ that looked like he got shot by a sniper rifle, then to cry repeatedly afterwards about losing? Ortiz should quit boxing and become an actor, because he’s brilliant if that was a performance.
You’re the type of dumb cunt that believes the earth is flat, just STFU
 
Jun 4, 2013
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I’m not sure if you’re using bi-polar in some other sense, but I have actually have bi-polar and the way you’re describing it is really quite wrong. My moods are often between 2 extremes but that doesn’t mean I just change my mind and make up shit to suit my own agenda.

I might add, I’m in no way endorsing this other guy. He could well be a fucking prick. I haven’t read enough of his posts to tell you. Knowing this forum, probably is.
It’s mostly the bi-polar thing. I’m a bit up and down, but that doesn’t mean I’m a fucking moron.
Cheers anyway though man! Enjoy your night
You’re quoting a compete moron with a sub-70 IQ, honestly. Just ignore him.
 

Royal Watcher

watching the Windsors
Nov 10, 2014
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You’re quoting a compete moron with a sub-70 IQ, honestly. Just ignore him.
Your standard retort for people exposing your 180 degree opinion swings is to try and insult their IQ. It is time you tried another form of deflection from the real issue.......yourself.

 
Ortiz boxed well. He was maybe a bit too offensive in the 7th, but it doesn't really tell us anything we didn't know about either fighter. He can bang and Ortiz can box. Ortiz still has something to give in the division, but his sketchy history of drug cheating complicates this.

Wilder goes on. His unorthodoxy makes him so unpredictable. Got very lucky in the Fury fight.
 
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Jul 6, 2019
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I didn't get too excited about the prospect that Ortiz could win. I knew the outcome before the fight ever started. The fix was in and most everyone is convinced that Wilder is the real deal. I'm certainly not. Sure, the knockout was real, but it was planned. I want to see him fight Ruiz, whom I think won't be bought.
If I was fixing a fight, I would make sure my part of the bargain didn't include walking into a temple shot from the biggest puncher in boxing.

I think the reason most expected Ortiz to lose because he is 50, and rarely looks as good off the gear.
 
Jul 6, 2019
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What makes you give Joshua a better chance against Wilder than the other two?
He is a huge Joshua fan, so that's probably the biggest part of it.

Joshua is also the bigger puncher of the 3 however, and you could make an argument that the best way to beat Wilder is to ko him before he ko's you. At least for this current crop of heavies.
 
Jul 6, 2019
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Ortiz boxed well. He was maybe a bit too offensive in the 7th
I thought the same.

I was enjoying his performance, even though I kept expecting Wilder to drop a bomb on him.

When Ortiz started smiling, and looking to trade more, I thought "oh no, he's starting to enjoy himself. He's going to get banjoed now". Next thing he's on the floor.

PS. I was watching it with my Mrs, who missed the punch because she lent down to pick up a drink, and when she looked back up her response was "oh no, look at his big face!"