Divorce.. have you done it? Do you think you're likely to someday?

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:rofl That's like reading the lyrics of one of Homer Simpson's Sadgasm songs from the grunge episode.





I'd agree but sometimes there can be some real surprises. My niece's sister in law (fuck knows what that makes her to me but she's a cunt, so, it matters not :lol:) had been going out with a guy for about 7 or 8 years. They got married and he fucked off two weeks later and no fucker saw that one coming. :rofl No idea what went through his head to prompt that action.
They'd been living together for ages before getting married so I really don't know what could have changed for him inside two weeks and caused him to do the Foxtrot Oscar.

A couple of mates told me years ago a couple of tales, one involving their sister, another a family acquaintance. The sister - a right snobby snotty cunt IMO - was married into a decidedly comfortably off family, smug as fuck with all the material comforts and full of her own importance. Large, main house, second house in France, managerial position in a large company for her, him working in the family business, first kid a few years old. All nicey nicey, everything right with her world.

Until they took a break in France at the second home but he came back a couple of days early, as planned, to play in some tennis event. Except, as the snotty cunt discovered on her return, that if there was a tennis event, he didn't play in it. She came back to a half empty house because the now-departed husband and his family had taken what they felt they were entitled to in order to furnish the flat he was already now ensconced in.
:lol: They'd run it like a military operation and moved her around the battle map and into dead ground in France whilst they executed the Escape and Evasion action. Smugbubble popped, the fucker had no idea it was coming but I suspect the family had never liked her, was pissed sonny-boy married her and was absolutely delighted when he started to let on that the romance was dead and he was married to a cunt.

The other crazy one they told me about was the dumbass fuckers who, through a combination of wanting to showboat to the world on the occasion of their little princess's marriage and indulging her every whim and dream of the fairytale wedding, borrowed over £30k to add to any other funds they were using. And this was a good 20 years ago.
Well, the marriage ended literally years and years before they finished paying the loan off. It didn't even last 12 months. :patsch
I enjoyed the french story more than i should
 
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Life is pain. Anything good will sooner or later bring pain as well. My first serious long term relationship was a difficult time when it ended, do I regret being with her? Not a chance. Would I have been better off if I'd spent four years sitting in my room jerking off? Absolutely not.
This isn't a matter of "there may be pain" it's a matter of certain pain and aggravation for the pleasure of saying you had a woman. Having a woman these days isn't as important as it used to be.

Your sitting in a room jerking off is old fashioned, to be frank. Today there are sex toys like full sized women you can squeeze, pose and engage in whatever fantasy you like. They're always there for a use and never more than 5 minutes of obligation. Unpack, pump, clean, pack. Done for the day to do whatever else I want. If you need something telling you how special you are that's your problem. Me I just want something that looks good that I can legally take whenever I want.

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In the US, right around a third of marriages end in divorce. Hardly a "near guarantee".

Baby boomers got divorced at higher rates than younger people do, but even the baby boomers never hit a 50% divorce rate.
People don't get married like they used to. Arranged marriages at the end of a shotgun are old news. Today women get abortions and marry a man for financial security while fucking some other guy. The responsibility to get married is GONE and yes, you are seeing the vast majority of young men and women turning away the practice.

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You're right, it sucks that we can grow and evolve as people now, and we can pursue hobbies and interests. Oh for those golden days when your entire life was spent doing backbreaking physical labor within walking distance of the house that you were born in, and never ever seeing a movie or a show, going away for the weekend, eating a meal at a restaurant or reading a book that wasn't the Bible. :lol:
Leave it to you to miss the point entirely.

We are biologically ill-equipped for LTRs. LTRs can only be enforced by the state, akin to Mohammad smashing Sultan tribalism in Arabia or Constantine smashing Pagan Rome. The state reduces the destructive affects of tribalism by giving every man a reason to partake in society. When it doesn't it descends into rapid corruption and weakness to exterior influence.

As soon as society doesn't step on hypergamy it grows to destroy society. Regular men check out of society (we see this now in the west) and women flock to fewer and fewer men. Essentially putting us back into the Sultan tribalism where one man has 20 women to take care of and the majority of other men contribute far less to make society great.

The LTR is a myth sold to men and women in childhood. It cannot be enforced so long as women have the rights they have.

Well you certainly seem like a good advertisement for the lifestyle - you don't come off as bitter or lonely at all.
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Pointing out the internal weaknesses of society and choosing not to engage in reckless and destructive pairings doesn't make someone bitter or lonely. Especially lonely. I've been alone for 15 years and I'm quite happy in this situation. My obligations are my own. I don't owe anyone a brunch or a trip to the mall or even sex for that matter. It's all on my terms. If you think that's sadness I say have fun with your female obsessions. I guess the difference between having had and not comes into play here.
 
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This isn't a matter of "there may be pain" it's a matter of certain pain and aggravation for the pleasure of saying you had a woman. Having a woman these days isn't as important as it used to be.

Your sitting in a room jerking off is old fashioned, to be frank. Today there are sex toys like full sized women you can squeeze, pose and engage in whatever fantasy you like. They're always there for a use and never more than 5 minutes of obligation. Unpack, pump, clean, pack. Done for the day to do whatever else I want. If you need something telling you how special you are that's your problem. Me I just want something that looks good that I can legally take whenever I want.



People don't get married like they used to. Arranged marriages at the end of a shotgun are old news. Today women get abortions and marry a man for financial security while fucking some other guy. The responsibility to get married is GONE and yes, you are seeing the vast majority of young men and women turning away the practice.



Leave it to you to miss the point entirely.

We are biologically ill-equipped for LTRs. LTRs can only be enforced by the state, akin to Mohammad smashing Sultan tribalism in Arabia or Constantine smashing Pagan Rome. The state reduces the destructive affects of tribalism by giving every man a reason to partake in society. When it doesn't it descends into rapid corruption and weakness to exterior influence.

As soon as society doesn't step on hypergamy it grows to destroy society. Regular men check out of society (we see this now in the west) and women flock to fewer and fewer men. Essentially putting us back into the Sultan tribalism where one man has 20 women to take care of and the majority of other men contribute far less to make society great.

The LTR is a myth sold to men and women in childhood. It cannot be enforced so long as women have the rights they have.



Pointing out the internal weaknesses of society and choosing not to engage in reckless and destructive pairings doesn't make someone bitter or lonely. Especially lonely. I've been alone for 15 years and I'm quite happy in this situation. My obligations are my own. I don't owe anyone a brunch or a trip to the mall or even sex for that matter. It's all on my terms. If you think that's sadness I say have fun with your female obsessions. I guess the difference between having had and not comes into play here.
Sounds like you have only ever been with women that were entirely wrong for you or you have never actually been with a woman at all.
 
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This isn't a matter of "there may be pain" it's a matter of certain pain and aggravation for the pleasure of saying you had a woman. Having a woman these days isn't as important as it used to be.

Your sitting in a room jerking off is old fashioned, to be frank. Today there are sex toys like full sized women you can squeeze, pose and engage in whatever fantasy you like. They're always there for a use and never more than 5 minutes of obligation. Unpack, pump, clean, pack. Done for the day to do whatever else I want. If you need something telling you how special you are that's your problem. Me I just want something that looks good that I can legally take whenever I want.



People don't get married like they used to. Arranged marriages at the end of a shotgun are old news. Today women get abortions and marry a man for financial security while fucking some other guy. The responsibility to get married is GONE and yes, you are seeing the vast majority of young men and women turning away the practice.



Leave it to you to miss the point entirely.

We are biologically ill-equipped for LTRs. LTRs can only be enforced by the state, akin to Mohammad smashing Sultan tribalism in Arabia or Constantine smashing Pagan Rome. The state reduces the destructive affects of tribalism by giving every man a reason to partake in society. When it doesn't it descends into rapid corruption and weakness to exterior influence.

As soon as society doesn't step on hypergamy it grows to destroy society. Regular men check out of society (we see this now in the west) and women flock to fewer and fewer men. Essentially putting us back into the Sultan tribalism where one man has 20 women to take care of and the majority of other men contribute far less to make society great.

The LTR is a myth sold to men and women in childhood. It cannot be enforced so long as women have the rights they have.



Pointing out the internal weaknesses of society and choosing not to engage in reckless and destructive pairings doesn't make someone bitter or lonely. Especially lonely. I've been alone for 15 years and I'm quite happy in this situation. My obligations are my own. I don't owe anyone a brunch or a trip to the mall or even sex for that matter. It's all on my terms. If you think that's sadness I say have fun with your female obsessions. I guess the difference between having had and not comes into play here.
Who took your lunch money?
 
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Sounds like you have only ever been with women that were entirely wrong for you or you have never actually been with a woman at all.
What's right for someone is a pretty subjective claim. I change. They change. We all change. The difference today is that I may be in NY one year and California the next. Ditto for her. We may see each other 8 hours of the day or 2 hours of the day or none at all given the ever-changing circumstances.

Right entails that we're like pieces of a puzzle that need to find our other half. We're not. We're more like oil and water in its most natural form. If we coalesce for a time it's purely organic and time-limited.

Who took your lunch money?
Nobody. It's all mine. I like it that way.
 
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What's right for someone is a pretty subjective claim. I change. They change. We all change. The difference today is that I may be in NY one year and California the next. Ditto for her. We may see each other 8 hours of the day or 2 hours of the day or none at all given the ever-changing circumstances.

Right entails that we're like pieces of a puzzle that need to find our other half. We're not. We're more like oil and water in its most natural form. If we coalesce for a time it's purely organic and time-limited.



Nobody. It's all mine. I like it that way.
What I meant by "right" was somebody who makes you happy. I do not need anything else other than to read the post you made that I originally quoted to know you have not found that yet.

Talking about sex dolls and not needing somebody to tell you "your special" says everything to anybody who actually has or has had a partner they love and respect and who reciprocates that love and respect.
 

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Never been divorced (or married for that matter) but I'm currently going through a break-up after 13 years. Longest relationship I've ever had. I didn't realise it would be this tough. I would imagine a divorce would be ten times harder...
 
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What I meant by "right" was somebody who makes you happy. I do not need anything else other than to read the post you made that I originally quoted to know you have not found that yet.
I make myself happy though. I don't need someone else to be happy. That's society talking. That's the search for female validation. I broke that spell a long time ago.

Women can still make me laugh and I can admire them for what they've done. I don't need a relationship for that. I don't need to be obligated to them for that.

Talking about sex dolls and not needing somebody to tell you "your special" says everything to anybody who actually has or has had a partner they love and respect and who reciprocates that love and respect.
What it should tell you is that it's entirely possible to be happy in lieu of having someone telling you that you're special. You can derive meaning in life in a myriad of ways that will always be more relevant and truthful than hearing it from someone who shares a bed with you. Like work, hobbies, friends and online companions.

I may not represent the majority but I do represent possibility.
 
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I make myself happy though. I don't need someone else to be happy. That's society talking. That's the search for female validation. I broke that spell a long time ago.

Women can still make me laugh and I can admire them for what they've done. I don't need a relationship for that. I don't need to be obligated to them for that.



What it should tell you is that it's entirely possible to be happy in lieu of having someone telling you that you're special. You can derive meaning in life in a myriad of ways that will always be more relevant and truthful than hearing it from someone who shares a bed with you. Like work, hobbies, friends and online companions.

I may not represent the majority but I do represent possibility.
The only person who has mentioned not needing somebody to tell them they are special is you. Repeatedly at this point.

I can honestly turn around and tell you that I genuinely cannot remember a time EVER that my wife had told me I'm special. When you are in a loving and committed relationship it goes without saying. Actions speak louder than words.
 
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The only person who has mentioned not needing somebody to tell them they are special is you. Repeatedly at this point.

I can honestly turn around and tell you that I genuinely cannot remember a time EVER that my wife had told me I'm special. When you are in a loving and committed relationship it goes without saying. Actions speak louder than words.
I tell you because you've told me multiple times that you need someone who makes you feel special. That's nonsense and I know it to be nonsense because for 15 years now I've gotten along fine without it.

I have no idea what actions speak louder than words means. I did not literally mean someone telling you that you are special. It could mean that but not exclusively. I am referring to this idea of yours that you need the love and attention of a woman to be happy. That is female validation and social dogma.
 
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I tell you because you've told me multiple times that you need someone who makes you feel special. That's nonsense and I know it to be nonsense because for 15 years now I've gotten along fine without it.

I have no idea what actions speak louder than words means. I did not literally mean someone telling you that you are special. It could mean that but not exclusively. I am referring to this idea of yours that you need the love and attention of a woman to be happy. That is female validation and social dogma.
I don't need somebody to make me special. I absaloutely love my own company as I know from the times I've been single.

However having a partner you love and respect to share life's experiences and everything that comes with it cannot be even put into words how much it enhances your overall life experience. And that ain't got nothing to do with societal pressure or raging against the machine or any of that bolox it is simply about straight up happiness.
 
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I don't need somebody to make me special. I absaloutely love my own company as I know from the times I've been single.

However having a partner you love and respect to share life's experiences and everything that comes with it cannot be even put into words how much it enhances your overall life experience. And that ain't got nothing to do with societal pressure or raging against the machine or any of that bolox it is simply about straight up happiness.
In order to understand the happiness you enjoy you have to understand the you.

You are an amalgamation of your experience in the world. The time you've spent with this significant other shapes you and them simultaneously. Similarly I am shaped by my absence of a significant other. We are different but given our success with our choices equally happy.

Does this make sense to you? Your happiness is entirely centered around your current position being healthy, happy and surviving. Mine as well. I could say the same for a dog. Meaning a dog I've had for 20 years dying for sure would leave me depressed and feeling less than whole. Naturally I would have just lost a piece of "me" I've had for 20 years. It doesn't mean there was anything special about the dog. The relationship we have is what would make it special. The LTR with the woman is no different if you really understand yourself.
 
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In order to understand the happiness you enjoy you have to understand the you.

You are an amalgamation of your experience in the world. The time you've spent with this significant other shapes you and them simultaneously. Similarly I am shaped by my absence of a significant other. We are different but given our success with our choices equally happy.

Does this make sense to you? Your happiness is entirely centered around your current position being healthy, happy and surviving. Mine as well. I could say the same for a dog. Meaning a dog I've had for 20 years dying for sure would leave me depressed and feeling less than whole. Naturally I would have just lost a piece of "me" I've had for 20 years. It doesn't mean there was anything special about the dog. The relationship we have is what would make it special. The LTR with the woman is no different if you really understand yourself.
You are talking like things are concrete and last forever. What makes you happy now may not be the case in 10/20/50 years.

Just because you are happy being alone at any particular time should not mean that's it you accept that you will NEVER be happy sharing your life with another person in the exact same way that just because you are happy with a particular person at some point does not mean that happiness will last forever.
 
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You are talking like things are concrete and last forever. What makes you happy now may not be the case in 10/20/50 years.

Just because you are happy being alone at any particular time should not mean that's it you accept that you will NEVER be happy sharing your life with another person in the exact same way that just because you are happy with a particular person at some point does not mean that happiness will last forever.
No I don't actually. The very thing I'm talking about in that quote is our connection to the world. The "you" is a cross selection of events around you imposing themselves on you, shaping you. We agree on change and well, that was exactly what I explained earlier. We all change all the time because the world shapes us and the world is always changing.

The distinction being my changes are very limited. I guess popular culture calls it arrested development. It probably looks that way on the outside. Indeed I have arrested any potential path to an LTR by limiting my engagements to the world. I won't grow to miss engagement to a woman because I didn't leave anything behind worth missing. Like sex, love and a purpose. I have all of those things.